Of the deputy labour leadership canidates and Gordon Brown!
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I have asked some questions all royal mail related of all the canidates.
If the members of this site were to do the same we could get RoyalMail and CWU issues pushed high up the agenda!
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Big Daz
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Sticked this,good call Daz.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Big Daz
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Any one in the CWU whp pays the political levy gets a vote regardless of whether or not they are labour party members!
I am both so i may get two ballot papers and vote twice for Peter Hain!
Why not get involved in your local labour party oor just go along for one meeting with a open mind? Nothing to lose is there?
I am both so i may get two ballot papers and vote twice for Peter Hain!
Why not get involved in your local labour party oor just go along for one meeting with a open mind? Nothing to lose is there?
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Is this the same party that has introduced the regulator, closed 2500 post offices, allowed Royal Mail to cut thousands of jobs, renegned on repeeling the anti trade union laws and now is allowing Royal Mail to cease final salary pensions to new posties. Its a good job they are the party of the working class, else we would be xxxxxx. As for the union supporting Alan Johnson enough said.
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Big Daz
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Plenty of labour people are very much pro working man/woman. The labour party has in the region of 200,000 members but the goverment is comprised of just 113 MP's and lords. Is it not true to say the labour party is often judged purley on the basis of a very small minority of members (0.05% who form the goverment) Surley its time to pay attention to the labour PARTY and not just the labour goverment? Blame the govermemnt not the party, under TB the party was ignored a great deal hence a 50 % drop in membership. Dave Ward said about a year ago he tried to talk to TB at a Labour party NEC meeting but TB wasnt intrested, but that dosent mean the rest of the labour party are not intrested its just that they are not runing the country so cant do much more than put pressure on the goverment.
PCB,
Have you made any attempt to find out why AJ got the union recomendation, its blindlingly obvious that if we were still UCW and NCU then the two unions would have chosen different from each other. NCU would have AJ and UCW would have had Peter Hain or Jon Cruddas.
Make some enquiries like i did, such as attendance from telecoms and postal members of NEC which was the greatest group in attendance, if all NEC members were present would the postal members be more than telecoms and therefore able to out vote the telecoms mbrs. Did any one abstain and why, why did non attendes not turn up etc etc
PCB,
Have you made any attempt to find out why AJ got the union recomendation, its blindlingly obvious that if we were still UCW and NCU then the two unions would have chosen different from each other. NCU would have AJ and UCW would have had Peter Hain or Jon Cruddas.
Make some enquiries like i did, such as attendance from telecoms and postal members of NEC which was the greatest group in attendance, if all NEC members were present would the postal members be more than telecoms and therefore able to out vote the telecoms mbrs. Did any one abstain and why, why did non attendes not turn up etc etc
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Big Daz, let me get this right! It's not the Labour Parties fault that the pairing of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as it's leaders have led to the situation that we now have both in the country and in particular RM Who's fault is it then?-----------A puzzled KWACK
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Big Daz
the labour party has 356 MPs, so by pure maths that means the 113 are out voted by 243. Does this ever happen? no! why not because for 10 YEARS 113 have voted with the Tories ( I was nearly Sick then ) and the LDs. The labour movement has been side lined within the labour party, so in reality, the labour party has been reinvented as a middle class entity. The assumption that the labour party will come back to its roots is wrong. After they lose the next election only then will they show their supposed left wing credentials, as Peter Hain has shown in his lunge to the left due to the DPM vacancy. Remember 10 years is a long time and we the working class have been waiting for the anti trade union laws to be repealed, for council housing to be built, for capital gains tax to be raised, for the tobin tax to be introduced, for the nuclear weapons to be taken out of service, for casual workers to be given rights like those being attacked now by the labour government/party. 10 years and we are still waiting! Wake up its never going to happen. These are just a few issues we have with the supposed party of the working class.
The union is the union the NEC voted for AJ not JC those who did not bother to turn up and vote must have been busy doing something else. If the hierarchy wanted AJ they got AJ. Democracy at work? don't thing so!
Ask Alan Johnson about the repealing of the anti trade union laws, ask him about the Iraq war, ask him about capital gains tax and last but not least ask him if they will reign in Leighton and Crozier and Postcomm then you will see what new labour are all about. Time for a change don't you think. How about a workers party for the workers by the workers. It took the LRC a few years but they started from scratch and so can we all it needs is solidarity and unity.
the labour party has 356 MPs, so by pure maths that means the 113 are out voted by 243. Does this ever happen? no! why not because for 10 YEARS 113 have voted with the Tories ( I was nearly Sick then ) and the LDs. The labour movement has been side lined within the labour party, so in reality, the labour party has been reinvented as a middle class entity. The assumption that the labour party will come back to its roots is wrong. After they lose the next election only then will they show their supposed left wing credentials, as Peter Hain has shown in his lunge to the left due to the DPM vacancy. Remember 10 years is a long time and we the working class have been waiting for the anti trade union laws to be repealed, for council housing to be built, for capital gains tax to be raised, for the tobin tax to be introduced, for the nuclear weapons to be taken out of service, for casual workers to be given rights like those being attacked now by the labour government/party. 10 years and we are still waiting! Wake up its never going to happen. These are just a few issues we have with the supposed party of the working class.
The union is the union the NEC voted for AJ not JC those who did not bother to turn up and vote must have been busy doing something else. If the hierarchy wanted AJ they got AJ. Democracy at work? don't thing so!
Ask Alan Johnson about the repealing of the anti trade union laws, ask him about the Iraq war, ask him about capital gains tax and last but not least ask him if they will reign in Leighton and Crozier and Postcomm then you will see what new labour are all about. Time for a change don't you think. How about a workers party for the workers by the workers. It took the LRC a few years but they started from scratch and so can we all it needs is solidarity and unity.
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Yes I do believe it can. Not overnight but working together with other unions I believe that we could make a difference. How do you think the labour party was formed, it took years but it came about due to the working class taking control of their own destiny. We need a true left wing party, how many years do we have to endure strife on the left due to idealogical differences within the left. Just join together and have the theoretical arguments within the party, just stop this monty pythonesque bickering. The campaign for a workers party looks a good bet, got to start somewhere.
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So your saying the time has come for the unions that are left of the founding unions who set up the LRC which evolved into the labour party to abandon a sinking ship? Although there still is a LRC of which a senior CWU man from the telecoms side of CWU is a member he is also a senior man in islington labour party.
Do you think left wing labour MP's would defect?
Are you saying start from scratch rather than set up shop with the SWP or another small party who are reallya bunch of commies in disguise.
What about the green party they are a pro trade union party and have views very similar to those you have expressed.
Click on the links and read them and think about them dont dismiss them out of hand then give me your views please.
The second link is vital reading for any one on the left/trade unionists
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/issues/68
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/files/leaf ... elease.pdf
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2882
Do you think left wing labour MP's would defect?
Are you saying start from scratch rather than set up shop with the SWP or another small party who are reallya bunch of commies in disguise.
What about the green party they are a pro trade union party and have views very similar to those you have expressed.
Click on the links and read them and think about them dont dismiss them out of hand then give me your views please.
The second link is vital reading for any one on the left/trade unionists
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/issues/68
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/files/leaf ... elease.pdf
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2882
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Big Daz
I am a member of the SWP, have been for the last 8 years. I have also been a rep for 8 years trying to stop the rot. Why do you think i'm calling for a broad workers party, it because we on the left have to put our differences to one side and concentrate on giving the working class a left wing choice. At the last count 27 MPs voted for the left wing candidate, if there was another choice its up to their consciences to make the leap.
The RMT were the main force behind the forging of the labour party and they are well run by a communist, his name is Bob Crow. There were two communist MPs who sat on the benches with the labour party in the early days, they stayed left wing whilst the labour party turned right to gain middle class votes.
Commies, reds what ever you want to call them have always stood shoulder to shoulder with the working class throughout the history of the labour movement, in fact 12 communists were sent to jail in Oct 1925 for sedition! Lets not beat about the bush I doubt any labour MP would see themselves going to prison on a point of principle which in my eyes says much about a person. As for the Green party I do vote for them when there is no other but their principles have been tested with the way the German Green party reneigned on the nuclear issue in the 1990s. Look all I am saying is we need to do something other than hope the labour party changes its direction. The campaign for a workers party looks like the place to start.
I am a member of the SWP, have been for the last 8 years. I have also been a rep for 8 years trying to stop the rot. Why do you think i'm calling for a broad workers party, it because we on the left have to put our differences to one side and concentrate on giving the working class a left wing choice. At the last count 27 MPs voted for the left wing candidate, if there was another choice its up to their consciences to make the leap.
The RMT were the main force behind the forging of the labour party and they are well run by a communist, his name is Bob Crow. There were two communist MPs who sat on the benches with the labour party in the early days, they stayed left wing whilst the labour party turned right to gain middle class votes.
Commies, reds what ever you want to call them have always stood shoulder to shoulder with the working class throughout the history of the labour movement, in fact 12 communists were sent to jail in Oct 1925 for sedition! Lets not beat about the bush I doubt any labour MP would see themselves going to prison on a point of principle which in my eyes says much about a person. As for the Green party I do vote for them when there is no other but their principles have been tested with the way the German Green party reneigned on the nuclear issue in the 1990s. Look all I am saying is we need to do something other than hope the labour party changes its direction. The campaign for a workers party looks like the place to start.