early finishers and lapsing

[leolion855]

im in the good position of working in a genuine clear office. Sometimes we all get back a bit early and there is nothing left to deliver so we go. Sometimes though people leave there lapsing behind and the ones that still get back after doing there lapsing see there's some left in the office walk straight past it and go home. Then when i get back i take out the extra lapsing if i have time left.

Now if i were first one back and early i wouldn't be whining about its what im paid to do to get me to my time, but for other posties all of whom are on a larger contract than me to walk past it and bugger of home really annoys.

Can the union do anything about it, as if these people are challenged my a manager they just go on a 'go slow' for a week and leave even more behind, its really childish tbh.

[number one]

Do you get told to take the lapsing out? If not then more fool you! Why do you think the union would step in and do the managers job?

[Jpro747]

Strictly speaking, the manager should be asking them to take it out and if they unreasonably refuse and go home early disciplinary action should be taken. The problem with this is it causes upset and workers start “going slow”, working up to their time, leaving lapsing and cutting off which causes a massive headache for management. So they’d rather keep them sweet and let them go home early, that way the office gets cleared. I would just leave it and go home unless you’re asked to take it out.

[SpacePhoenix]

Strictly speaking, the manager should be asking them to take it out and if they unreasonably refuse and go home early disciplinary action should be taken. The problem with this is it causes upset and workers start “going slow”, working up to their time, leaving lapsing and cutting off which causes a massive headache for management. So they’d rather keep them sweet and let them go home early, that way the office gets cleared. I would just leave it and go home unless you’re asked to take it out.

There's going to come a point where RM will bring in an official work standard/rate for outdoor work, probably something that they can use PDA actuals to automatically monitor

[leolion855]

Do you get told to take the lapsing out? If not then more fool you! Why do you think the union would step in and do the managers job?

because im paid to work for five hours not four.

lets change the situation

Bob works at Tesco stacking beans from 10 until 12.By 11;30 hes finished his pallet. Sue also works the same hours as Bob doing the same job and at 11;30 she has also completed, but there's one pallet left. Sue moves on to the next pallet because there's half an hour until hers and Bobs finish time but Bob buggers off home as hes done 'his' pallet, whos in the wrong here?

[rubberbond]

Do you get told to take the lapsing out? If not then more fool you! Why do you think the union would step in and do the managers job?

because im paid to work for five hours not four.

lets change the situation

Bob works at Tesco stacking beans from 10 until 12.By 11;30 hes finished his pallet. Sue also works the same hours as Bob doing the same job and at 11;30 she has also completed, but there's one pallet left. Sue moves on to the next pallet because there's half an hour until hers and Bobs finish time but Bob buggers off home as hes done 'his' pallet, whos in the wrong here?

Bob wouldn't be allowed to "bugger off home", that's the problem, Royal Mail management let the genie out of the bottle years ago , by endorsing job and finish , now of course they realise how stupid that was they can't get the genie back in. Rightly or wrongly , there is a sense of entitlement. Hoist by their own petard as they say.

[number one]

Do you get told to take the lapsing out? If not then more fool you! Why do you think the union would step in and do the managers job?

because im paid to work for five hours not four.

lets change the situation

Bob works at Tesco stacking beans from 10 until 12.By 11;30 hes finished his pallet. Sue also works the same hours as Bob doing the same job and at 11;30 she has also completed, but there's one pallet left. Sue moves on to the next pallet because there's half an hour until hers and Bobs finish time but Bob buggers off home as hes done 'his' pallet, whos in the wrong here?

Let’s change it, Bob works quickly and completes his pallet but sue goes really slow, goes out for cigarette breaks and talks to people all day. Bob then gets asked to do sues work for her

[leolion855]

Bob can work slow and talk all day, why should Bob go home early ?

[twoloops]

Let’s change it, Bob works quickly and completes his pallet but sue goes really slow, goes out for cigarette breaks and talks to people all day. Bob then gets asked to do sues work for her

What if while Bob is doing Sues work, Sue goes home?

[citypostie]

Bob gets told to bale sue out everyday because she drags her pallet out, Bob does it then starts to drag his pallet out so the extra pallet gets left for a manager to do. That's how it works

[worktotime]

im in the good position of working in a genuine clear office. Sometimes we all get back a bit early and there is nothing left to deliver so we go. Sometimes though people leave there lapsing behind and the ones that still get back after doing there lapsing see there's some left in the office walk straight past it and go home. Then when i get back i take out the extra lapsing if i have time left.

Now if i were first one back and early i wouldn't be whining about its what im paid to do to get me to my time, but for other posties all of whom are on a larger contract than me to walk past it and bugger of home really annoys.

Can the union do anything about it, as if these people are challenged my a manager they just go on a 'go slow' for a week and leave even more behind, its really childish tbh.

all I can say it must be nice to complete your own delivery and your lapsing and maybe still get back early enough to take even more out to deliver , and why are you interested in what other people are doing or the speed they are working as that's not your job its down to your dim to sort them out , and what would you like the cwu to do about this ? , they are constantly telling members to start on time , take your breaks , and use the methods ,

[Babel071]

Bob's pallet is just a toilet paper rolls and Sue's pallet is baked beans cans. That's usually the case

[Rumple]

Do you get told to take the lapsing out? If not then more fool you! Why do you think the union would step in and do the managers job?

because im paid to work for five hours not four.

lets change the situation

Bob works at Tesco stacking beans from 10 until 12.By 11;30 hes finished his pallet. Sue also works the same hours as Bob doing the same job and at 11;30 she has also completed, but there's one pallet left. Sue moves on to the next pallet because there's half an hour until hers and Bobs finish time but Bob buggers off home as hes done 'his' pallet, whos in the wrong here?

What if Bob completes 2 pallets and Sue hasn't finished hers because she chooses to work slowly on purpose, every day?
Which employee is most valuable to the business?
I understand the hourly rate but what about equal work for equal pay?

[leolion855]

what im getting at is bob gets his pallet done and goes home early.Sue gets hers done in the same time BUT stays until her official finish time and does extra work to get her to her time.

[rambo1]

Do you get told to take the lapsing out? If not then more fool you! Why do you think the union would step in and do the managers job?

because im paid to work for five hours not four.

lets change the situation

Bob works at Tesco stacking beans from 10 until 12.By 11;30 hes finished his pallet. Sue also works the same hours as Bob doing the same job and at 11;30 she has also completed, but there's one pallet left. Sue moves on to the next pallet because there's half an hour until hers and Bobs finish time but Bob buggers off home as hes done 'his' pallet, whos in the wrong here?

Let’s change it, Bob works quickly and completes his pallet but sue goes really slow, goes out for cigarette breaks and talks to people all day. Bob then gets asked to do sues work for her

Bob's items he's been stacking on the shelves are all over the place, some on the wrong shelf, some broken on the floor, plastic wrapping everywhere. A customer has just tripped over it and is now putting a complaint in. Sue's shelves are very neat and tidy, everything in the right place, she's tidied up all the plastic wrapping and yes, she has been for her statutory break. Bob didn't bother.
Now, who's the best employee? And should anyone be allowed to go home early?