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georgeparr
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Christmas overtime

Post by georgeparr »

Can anyone clarify the old sticky question of delivery overtime at Christmas for me?
Am I allowed to cut off at my finish time or not?
I understand the need to move our hours about at this time of year.
But our manager is insisting that we must work overtime and finish our delivery, however long it takes, and no matter how late out we are.
Example;- One and a half hours late out of office. Because of amount of mail, Nearly two hours late finishing. Manager says we have no choice, we must work :evil/mad it.
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Post by UNION IVOR »

no one can tell you to go over , if you got child care issues or family probs royal mail should be trying too help you , (but then again royal mail think of us as just a number)
axeman
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Post by axeman »

You do not have to work o/t if you don't wish to just work to your time and stuff them i myself have no intention in doing any o/t this year of all years :nana :nana
oxon
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Post by oxon »

DOM of Oxford city centre delivery office was telling staff that over time is compulsory during X-mas ... I told staff to tell DOM balls to you !!
turk182
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Post by turk182 »

tell your manager to b***ER off work too your hours take your breaks finish on time can,t force you to work overtime it is voluntary if he says you have too he is a lying sh**e stick to your guns!
mailman71
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Post by mailman71 »

nobody can make you work overtime,if they insist tell them you willclaim harassment then watch them back off
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Post by drb »

Any time OVER your time is purely voluntary labour.Scheduled attendance is the only
overtime that is contracted.
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS
For immediate circulation to all appropriate Area/Unit Representatives
Postal Divisional Representatives

Dear Colleague

Christmas and New Year Arrangements 2007/08

Please find attached for your information a copy of the National Agreement for Christmas and New Year Arrangements for the 2007/08 period, Planning Summary and Pay Timetable. The Union only finally received confirmation of the Agreement yesterday despite the fact that we wrote to the business 10 days ago requesting that they needed to urgently advise us of any changes they wished to make for this year to the agreed standard terms. It will be noted that apart from the normal calendar changes it is identical to the 2006 Agreement and those agreed in 2005.

Unfortunately however the day before the Union received the Agreement Representatives were contacting Union Headquarters regarding proposals they had received Locally for Clawback of hours following unagreed advice purported to have been given by Dale Lang and Glyn Rees. In view of this and the confusion this misleading advice was causing we requested a meeting with Gillian Alford, Head of Industrial Relations and Dale Lang, IR Manager last night to seek an explanation and clarify the position.

It was pointed out to the business that the advice that had been circulated was in direct conflict with the National Agreement established in 2004 on clawback and the terms of the National Agreement for Christmas 2007 which had been sent to the Union that very morning in particular Paragraphs 2.1 and 5. We made it clear to the business that the Union would not accept the business backtracking on National Agreements and sought their confirmation that they would honour the terms in full. After a lengthy discussion the Head of Industrial Relations did finally give us her assurance that the terms of the Agreement would not be abrogated by the business.

Branches should therefore ensure that local negotiations proceed and are concluded in line with the terms of the attached National Agreement and the principals/Local Agreements that have been applied since 2004. Any Executive Action proposed in respect of implementing staffing arrangements that conflict with the National Agreement e.g. compulsory movement of rest days, enforced Annual Leave etc should be progressed through the IR Framework. The status quo being the operational/attendance arrangements that applied for the Christmas and New Year period 2006/07.

Any enquiries on the above should be directed to the appropriate Occupational Officer.

Yours sincerely


Bob Gibson Martin Collins Terry Pullinger Ray Ellis
Ass Secretary Ass Secretary Ass Secretary Ass Secretary
Christmas Arrangements 2007

1. Introduction

This document sets out the arrangements for Christmas 2007and New Year 2008 based on the principles agreed for recent yeas. Robust staffing arrangements will be required during the Christmas period to ensure operational needs are covered in line with workload forecasts while taking into account the aspirations of employees. The agreement applies to OPG and OSG, Processing Engineering grades who are scheduled to shift working (fixed or rotating excluding fixed day jobs) together with those LAs whose current conditioned hours attract assigned shift allowances.

2. Attendances

2.1Throughout the Christmas and New Year Period, rest days will apply in line
with normal year round arrangements. Attendances may be varied by local agreement to take account of workload forecasts and service requirements. People who volunteer to work their normal rest day, or are required to work an additional attendance on a Bank Holiday, will be paid as overtime or credited a day’s holiday in lieu. When someone’s rest day falls on a Bank Holiday, they will receive an additional day’s holiday in lieu. (including people working a week off in six)

2.2The detailed scheduling of these arrangements will be subject to negotiation at local level.

2.3Weekend duty holders will have separate scheduling arrangements based on the same principles adopted in 2006.

2.4Any additional days of holiday arising from these arrangements will be taken by 15 March 2008.

3. Christmas Bonus Supplement

The Christmas bonus supplement will be £100 for full time OPG and OSGs (pro-rated for part timers). The eligibility criteria for the Christmas bonus payment will be the same as last year, based on the four December weeks and with same abatement criteria for industrial action as used previously, drawn from the PBS agreement. Payments in 2006 will be made on Friday 21 December.

4. Scheduled Attendance

Scheduled attendance rates can be paid for pre-scheduled overtime worked during the Christmas period but these will not attract paid meal breaks.

5. Local Negotiations


In order to secure sufficient and reliable staffing and so deliver quality services to our customers throughout the Christmas period, local negotiations will consider the following options:

People to work their normal rest day in return for a day in lieu or scheduled attendance/overtime.

Pre-scheduling hours against forecast workload.

Scheduled attendance or pressure overtime.

Use of temporary / casual staff to supplement other resource.

Local negotiations will ensure that everyone has a fair and manageable workload.

6. Pay arrangements

Revised pay arrangements are attached. The improved systems now in place for processing overtime claims means there is no longer any need for advances in overtime pay.


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Mike Eady Royal Mail Letters Martin Collins, CWU

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Bob Gibson, CWU

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Terry Pullinger, CWU

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Ray Ellis, CWU

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Post by johnnyp »

Local negotiations will ensure that everyone has a fair and manageable workload.

Sounds good to me Teebs :Very Happy But what is a fair and manageable workload exactley?10 bags?20bags?1 H.C.T.Trolley or 2?Its a question ive asked Management and the union for a few years now but no one seems to know the answer :sad: Lets start with a 3.5 hour delivery,yet ive heard people on this site say they have a 4 or 4.5 hour delivery :crazy: Even with a 3.5 you could still end up with160kg+ of mail :shock: Maybe even more.So what is a fair and manageable workload?Anyone got the answer :wink:
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GETTING PAID TO WATCH THE SUN GOING DOWN

Post by ray of sunshine »

On monday our xmas pressure started.
On sorting from 6am to 10.15am
Didnt start on my walk until 1pm.
Sun setting at 4pm finally finished 4.35pm.
Has some funny comments and looks.
I was lucky on monday hubby had a day off and picked up the kids from nursery.
Told phgs i cant work past 3.30pm as kids have to be picked up, probably mail will get worst next week.....! :crazy: :crazy:
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marky
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Re: GETTING PAID TO WATCH THE SUN GOING DOWN

Post by marky »

ray of sunshine wrote:On monday our xmas pressure started.
On sorting from 6am to 10.15am
Didnt start on my walk until 1pm.
Sun setting at 4pm finally finished 4.35pm.
Has some funny comments and looks.
I was lucky on monday hubby had a day off and picked up the kids from nursery.
Told phgs i cant work past 3.30pm as kids have to be picked up, probably mail will get worst next week.....! :crazy: :crazy:
you started at 6am +8 hours =1400 finish-40 min break=1 hour 20 delivery. not bad.
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marky
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Post by marky »

work till your time do sfa extra for them xxxxs.
rmld.....
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The plan is working so far........

Post by rhino49 »

Monday my day off, was in on prep and IPS support for 4 hours to help people get out earlier. Part timers who wanted to, have been made up to full time for the pressure period. We have nights on ( Sun-Thurs) for two weeks and option of Friday nights for people on their day off on Saturday. Extra IPS support from next week starting at 05:15 and all overtime paid at SA rate - we have a DOM who works her nuts off (or would if she had any)and thinks ahead and everything is working like clockwork.

I get the impression that any DOM who tells you what can't be done is simply trying to save money at the worst possible time to do it - do you see shops worrying about budgets when they are setting up for Christmas and the January sales? - I don't think so.
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Post by DGP1 »

In my DO we have extra staff in plus 1hr extra on IPS every morning so the office is running well, anyone wanting to cut off can plus packets are done by the extras.
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Post by marky »

disgruntledpostie1 wrote:In my DO we have extra staff in plus 1hr extra on IPS every morning so the office is running well, anyone wanting to cut off can plus packets are done by the extras.
do you get s/a for the extra hour on ips
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