How about this???

[weetrogg]

We RMC, would probably be able to elect 1 if not 2 people directly to the pec, the reason i say this is because i would imagine the voter turn out is particulary low, say about 20,000 at most ao if we organised, and either put 2 candidates up ourselves or decide who to vote for 2 the official list, hell we could even run an election on here to pick the most suitable candidate now thats real democracy!! Can you imagine the fun it would cause at wimbledon hq, when "weetrogg" or "lovejoy"or" whoever we elect" turns up for the first pec meeting and they discuss the effects the deal will have on our members, and we tell them that they havent got a clue how about their members jobs have been ruined, they would ask how do you know??? to which we reply cos before this meeting ive just done a ten hours delivering mail, or loading vans or working an lsm, god it would be fun!!! On a serious note all of the above is possible if we organise and campaign in a united way. Some thoughts please??





WE are the union

[stephen500]

These are the rules.

10. Election Procedures for Annually Contested Seats


1. All elections shall be by secret ballot of those members entitled to vote. Retired Members shall not vote for Executive positions. The candidate receiving the highest number of votes shall be declared elected.


2. Only members of the Union, except Retired Members, shall be entitled to stand.


3. The NEC shall determine and publish to Branches, procedures and regulations.


4. The method of recommending support for candidates to its own Branch members shall be a matter for each Branch.


5. The ballot paper shall list candidates in alphabetical order and shall indicate forenames, or the name by which they are commonly known, and surnames.


6. Asterisks or any other mark indicating existing Executive status shall not be included on the ballot paper.


7. Candidates may submit a personal statement of not more than 300 words to be circulated with their biographical details. The grade of the candidate shall be shown in the biographical details. The personal statement and biographical details of all candidates for annually contested Constituency seats shall be circulated to all Branches of the CWU. Candidates who wish may also submit a personal photograph for publication with their biographical details and statement.


8. Candidates from the Postal and O&A Constituency seats on the NEC must have the nomination of their own Branch. A properly constituted Branch meeting must have approved such nominations.

9. Candidates from the Clerical, Engineering and PTS Constituency must be nominated by a Branch, or Branches, having members in the candidates’ Constituency. Branches shall be entitled to nominate as many candidates as there are vacant seats in any Constituency where they have members. Such nominations must have been approved by a properly constituted Branch meeting. Details of Branch nominations shall be published to Branches and included with the candidates’ election statements.



10. Nomination arrangements for candidates for the Chair of the T&FSE and the Chair and Vice Chair of the PE shall be in accordance with the Rules which relate to the Constituency of which the candidate is a member.

[stephen500]

NATIONAL EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
POSTAL CONSTITUENCY NEC REPRESENTATIVES
Number of ballot papers issued: 143,813
Number of ballot papers returned: 23,459
Number of ballot papers found to be invalid for this election (blank): 180
Number of ballot papers found to be invalid for this election (spoilt): 24
Thus, total number of valid ballot papers to be counted: 23,255

POSTAL CONSTITUENCY NEC REPRESENTATIVES
Result (13 to elect):-
Noel McCLEAN 11,736 ELECTED
Phil BROWNE 11,559 ELECTED
Dave WARREN 11,226 ELECTED
Mick KAVANAGH 11,157 ELECTED
Steve FISHWICK 11,146 ELECTED
John FARNAN 10,568 ELECTED
Joe MALONE 10,478 ELECTED
Davie ROBERTSON 10,393 ELECTED
Mark BAULCH 10,272 ELECTED
Ian WARD 10,256 ELECTED
Lesley McLEAN 10,086 ELECTED
Carl MADEN 9,950 ELECTED
Pete KEENLYSIDE 9,787 ELECTED
Maureen HOOPER 9,316
Katrina QUIRKE 9,203
Roger CHARLES 8,924
Dennis KILGARIFF 8,025

[TrueBlueTerrier]

NATIONAL EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
POSTAL CONSTITUENCY NEC REPRESENTATIVES
Number of ballot papers issued: 143,813
Number of ballot papers returned: 23,459
Number of ballot papers found to be invalid for this election (blank): 180
Number of ballot papers found to be invalid for this election (spoilt): 24
Thus, total number of valid ballot papers to be counted: 23,255

a 16% turnout - I bet the next vote has a better turnout than that. Especially if the feeling on here is anything to go by, but then we were way wrong on the inflexibility agreement, sorry Modernisation and Flexibility Deal, my fault a Freudian slip.

[lovejoy]

We RMC, would probably be able to elect 1 if not 2 people directly to the pec, the reason i say this is because i would imagine the voter turn out is particulary low, say about 20,000 at most ao if we organised, and either put 2 candidates up ourselves or decide who to vote for 2 the official list, hell we could even run an election on here to pick the most suitable candidate now thats real democracy!! Can you imagine the fun it would cause at wimbledon hq, when "weetrogg" or "lovejoy"or" whoever we elect" turns up for the first pec meeting and they discuss the effects the deal will have on our members, and we tell them that they havent got a clue how about their members jobs have been ruined, they would ask how do you know??? to which we reply cos before this meeting ive just done a ten hours delivering mail, or loading vans or working an lsm, god it would be fun!!! On a serious note all of the above is possible if we organise and campaign in a united way. Some thoughts please??

any way of getting the PEC election returns up is good mate!! The returns for the last few years have been rapidly falling!

The trouble is there is a severe lack of people wanting to get on. Last year only 15 candidates for 13 posts!

The result of this is lack of membership interest and some poor EC officials.

The trouble with organising a campaign is well before the elections which will be feb / march we need to select a list of our candidate(s). We need to have the debate in full. For example there are some people saying we shouldn't vote for anyone who voted yes in the pay and modernisation vote at the PEC. I disagree with this so there will be alternative views.

I think the best way to compile a RMC list would be for us to post up who we recommend and the reasons why.

Then maybe we could draw up a list, have a POLL on here to select our final candidates and then when the elections start right behind the people we recommend with posters, chain emails, comms etc?

Just an idea for campaign....... A campaign that we need to have!







WE are the union

[TrueBlueTerrier]

We could also invite each prospective candidate to post an election "speech" on here. However, if we did we would have to tighten the application of the rules a lot for that particular thread.

For instance. No swearing at all, all comments by members would have to be respectful in their language, if not in their views. All statements of fact or opinion would have to be above board and not liable for legal action.

All in all as long as safeguards are in place and members behave themselves it would be a very good idea indeed.

[stephen500]

We could also invite each prospective candidate to post an election "speech" on here. However, if we did we would have to tighten the application of the rules a lot for that particular thread.

For instance. No swearing at all, all comments by members would have to be respectful in their language, if not in their views. All statements of fact or opinion would have to be above board and not liable for legal action.

All in all as long as safeguards are in place and members behave themselves it would be a very good idea indeed.

But we would have to be very carefull re cwu campaign rules.
If the rules were broken the candidate could be disqualified.

[borderscot]

We could also invite each prospective candidate to post an election "speech" on here. However, if we did we would have to tighten the application of the rules a lot for that particular thread.

For instance. No swearing at all, all comments by members would have to be respectful in their language, if not in their views. All statements of fact or opinion would have to be above board and not liable for legal action.

All in all as long as safeguards are in place and members behave themselves it would be a very good idea indeed.

This is not difficult, as all candidate get the opportunity of an printed election address these can then be scanned onto here. You could also have a poll to see who is going to vote. If we wish to be a force we need to get together albeit cyberly and form a strategy to shape the EC.

[dvbuk55]

The trouble is there is a severe lack of people wanting to get on. Last year only 15 candidates for 13 posts!
The result of this is lack of membership interest and some poor EC officials.

That posting highlights the problem - there must be many capable and interested people who do not put themselves forward. The motivation then of some candidates must surely be in question.

I have to say that although we moan about how poor the standard of management is and how on very many occasions there are ideas and solutions from ordinary posties they remain posties.

Why is that - on both counts?

[jemima]

The trouble is there is a severe lack of people wanting to get on. Last year only 15 candidates for 13 posts!
The result of this is lack of membership interest and some poor EC officials.

That posting highlights the problem - there must be many capable and interested people who do not put themselves forward. The motivation then of some candidates must surely be in question.

I have to say that although we moan about how poor the standard of management is and how on very many occasions there are ideas and solutions from ordinary posties they remain posties.

Why is that - on both counts?

I think that some people like running things, and will therefore go to a lot of trouble to get themselves elected (the CWU rules and policies are extensive - I haven't found time to read them all yet, and anyone who has read everything deserves respect). Those people are not necessarily going to have ideas and solutions.

Creative people are more likely to have a full life already, and won't want the extra commitment to the Union. If there is a way for the EC to discuss immediate issues and problems with all posties, as a group we should be able to come up with constructive answers. The Union is meant to represent all its members - it just needs to find a way to make sure they all have a chance to input their ideas.

[dvbuk55]

The trouble is there is a severe lack of people wanting to get on. Last year only 15 candidates for 13 posts!
The result of this is lack of membership interest and some poor EC officials.

That posting highlights the problem - there must be many capable and interested people who do not put themselves forward. The motivation then of some candidates must surely be in question.

I have to say that although we moan about how poor the standard of management is and how on very many occasions there are ideas and solutions from ordinary posties they remain posties.

Why is that - on both counts?

I think that some people like running things, and will therefore go to a lot of trouble to get themselves elected (the CWU rules and policies are extensive - I haven't found time to read them all yet, and anyone who has read everything deserves respect). Those people are not necessarily going to have ideas and solutions.

Creative people are more likely to have a full life already, and won't want the extra commitment to the Union. If there is a way for the EC to discuss immediate issues and problems with all posties, as a group we should be able to come up with constructive answers. The Union is meant to represent all its members - it just needs to find a way to make sure they all have a chance to input their ideas.

Funny you should mention representing the views of all. I recently bought something from Comet on a click and collect basis. 1 week later I received a survey about my experience with the system, which as a matter of interest was excellent.

You can probably guess what I am going to suggest. After a situation we have just had, the ballot, the result and a somewhat dissatisfied proportion of the membership with the workings of the Union how about a survey of the membership. The survey would take into account the different disciplines, their aspirations and what they expect in the future. Many will say that conference takes this into account, in fact the very many conferences that we seem to host, but only certain aspects are covered and it does not take into account the vast majority.

[Big Daz]

It is very important that mbrs not only wish to get involved with the CWU on a more active basis, but have a intrest in serving the membership at regional and national level.

[dvbuk55]

It is very important that mbrs not only wish to get involved with the CWU on a more active basis, but have a intrest in serving the membership at regional and national level.

That's all very well for those who have the time and inclination to speak publicly but many are shy in public and although literate noty necessarily adept in meetings. There should be some account taken of the wishes of the majority without it being in the context of a vote.

[L Tommo]

Ive heard in the grapevine there is a number coming up that needs a fella that can consume his own body weight in pies n beer,,, Now i cant say to much but!!!! The last fat bastard that had the job will be leaving in the near future so... ALL YOU GUZZLERS N GULPERS stick ya names in the hat and GOOD LUCK!!!

Im putting my name in 1st... CYA!!!


Sold out and fed up of FULL UP N FULL OF SHITE SPINELESS GITS ON THE PEC AND HQ...

put up or shut up i say!!!

out

[lovejoy]

Ive heard in the grapevine there is a number coming up that needs a fella that can consume his own body weight in pies n beer,,, Now i cant say to much but!!!! The last fat bastard that had the job will be leaving in the near future so... ALL YOU GUZZLERS N GULPERS stick ya names in the hat and GOOD LUCK!!!

Im putting my name in 1st... CYA!!!


Sold out and fed up of FULL UP N FULL OF SHITE SPINELESS GITS ON THE PEC AND HQ...

put up or shut up i say!!!

out

attack national officials all you like but they put themselves forward and WE elect them every year.

There are good people on the PEC and this should be acknowledged.

I don't think calling them spineless helps anyone and after all we put them there so what does that say about us.

At the end of the day our national officers voted on a document put to them by the negotiators. This document has now been ratified by the membership.

I think people need to look a little closer to home sometimes i'e branches recommending NO votes returning major YES scores!

At the end of the day the agreement is the agreement and we now have to do our best working with it. It is very easy to sit back slagging people off saying 'nothing to do with me' - It is a little harder to step forward and take up the challenge!