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jinglejangle
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Sickness procedure advice

Post by jinglejangle »

Can anyone give me the exact figures as regards sickness days that may total triggering a stage.A colleague asked me in work and even though been there quite a while wasnt exactly sure off the top of my head.

Have scouted around on here looking but cant seem to find anything.

Basically wanted to know the official figure to trigger stage one, two and three.After this terrible ballot result told him to check his dates as he may be entitled to another sickie (ouch).

Thanks. :dance
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Sickness proceedure

Post by andy2007 »

If you go on sick once, for more than 2 weeks. Or once for less than 2 weeks, and again within 6 months, it triggers a Stage. A Stage lasts for 12 months, so if you meet the criteria again within that time, you go to the next one.

Stage 1 is a verbal warning, Stage 2 is a written one, and Stage 3 is an RTU.

In other words, if you end up on a Stage 2, it's time to start really worrying. Not many people (in my experience) survive an RTU, and in the current climate, they will be looking for excuses to get rid of us!
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

I thought a stage 1 was triggered by one of the following

1. A single absence of more than 14 days.
2. 4 Absences or less totalling 14 days within a year.
3. 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days.

Stage 2 is then 7 days and 2 absences - but I may be wrong
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Post by stephen500 »

http://www.cwu.org/default.asp?Step=4&pid=128
"Royal Mail and CWU are committed to this process which will be reviewed on an Area by Area basis. The effectiveness of this approach will be monitored at the quarterly strategic area review meeting. It is a process for reviewing trends and identifying opportunities for improvement.With employees new to Royal Mail it is important to establish quickly a clear understanding of the need to maintain appropriate standards of attendance. Attendance may be regarded as warranting formal action if an employee who is on trial has:

Stage 1: 2 absences or 7 days in a 6 month period
Stage 2: 1 absence in the next 2 months
Stage 3: 1 absence in the next 2 months
No triallist should have his/her appointment confirmed whilst under this procedure.

2. MINIMUM NATIONAL ATTENDANCE STANDARDS - EMPLOYEES NOT ON TRIAL
Employees who have successfully completed their trial period are still required to maintain a high standard of attendance. Attendance may be regarded as warranting formal action if an employee who is not on trial has:

Stage 1: 4 absences or 14 days in a 12 month period
Stage 2: 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 12 months
Stage 3: 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 12 months


In deciding whether these standards are met for employees whose trial was recently confirmed, attendance during the whole of employment is considered, not jut from the date trial is confirmed. An employee whose trial has been confirmed following an improvement to the required triallist standard will be put back to the previous stage of the Attendance Procedure but the criteria appropriate to a non-triallist will then apply. "
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Post by stephen500 »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:I thought a stage 1 was triggered by one of the following

1. A single absence of more than 14 days.
2. 4 Absences or less totalling 14 days within a year.
3. 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days.

Stage 2 is then 7 days and 2 absences - but I may be wrong
Never heard of " 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days."??
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Post by borderscot »

Stage 1
!4 days or more in a year or
4 absences in a year
stage 2
2 absences or 7 days within any 6 month period of the year
Stage 3
same as stage 2
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

stephen500 wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:I thought a stage 1 was triggered by one of the following

1. A single absence of more than 14 days.
2. 4 Absences or less totalling 14 days within a year.
3. 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days.

Stage 2 is then 7 days and 2 absences - but I may be wrong
Never heard of " 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days."??
I think I got it from
Stage 1: 4 absences or 14 days in a 12 month period
but no idea how though :shock: :crazy:
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Post by stephen500 »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
stephen500 wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:I thought a stage 1 was triggered by one of the following

1. A single absence of more than 14 days.
2. 4 Absences or less totalling 14 days within a year.
3. 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days.

Stage 2 is then 7 days and 2 absences - but I may be wrong
Never heard of " 5 or more absences even if not totalling more than 14 days."??
I think I got it from
Stage 1: 4 absences or 14 days in a 12 month period
but no idea how though :shock: :crazy:
You got it from the PILOT ATTENDENCE PROCEDURE CARRIED OUT IN A FEW OFFICES SEE THIS LINK...

It is not Royal mail policy
http://www.cwu.org/default.asp?Step=4&pid=129&catid=30

Pilot Attendance Procedure
1. PURPOSE OF PILOT
The purpose of this agreement is to pilot a new approach to the management of absence due to sickness in support of the following agreed objectives:
· making Royal Mail a better place to work for all employees
· producing a better industrial relations environment
· to benefit the customer
· ensuring the continuing and growing success of Royal Mail in the face of increasing competition

2. SCOPE
The agreement applies to all employees including trialists (but excluding casual/seasonal staff who are dealt with by separate managerial guidelines) in the designated areas/locations to comprise 50% of N.E. (Newcastle, Bradford, Darlington and Teesside) and 50 % Midland Division (Birmingham, Wolverhampton and Stoke) who become:
· absent from work due to sickness and are
· not classified as long term sick and in respect of whom medical retirement has not been considered.

3. PILOT ARRANGEMENTS
Detailed arrangements for the pilot are set out in Appendix 1.

1. Minimum National Standards - New Entrants on Trial

With employees new to Royal Mail it is important to establish quickly a clear understanding of the need to maintain appropriate standards of attendance. Attendance may be regarded as warranting formal action if an employee who is on trial has:

Stage 1 : 2 absences or 7 days in a 6 month period
Stage 2 : 1 absence in the next 2 months
Stage 3 : 1 absence in the next 2 months

No triallist should have his/her appointment confirmed whilst under this procedure.

2. Minimum National Attendance Standards - Employees not on Trial
Employees who have successfully completed their trial period are still required to maintain a high standard of attendance. Attendance may be regarded as warranting formal action if an employee who is not on trial has:

Stage 1 : 5 absences or 17 days in 12 months.
Stage 2 : 2 absences or 12 days in any 6 month period during the next 9 months
Stage 3 : 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 9 months

In deciding whether these standards are met for employees whose trial was recently confirmed, attendance during the whole of employment is considered, not just from the date trial is confirmed. An employee whose trial has been confirmed following an improvement to the required triallist standard will be put back to the previous stage of the Attendance Procedure but the criteria appropriate to a non-triallist will then apply.
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Post by postie28 »

was wondering about stages myself earlier on. if all this is correct then i'm back down from stage 2 to a big juicy zero. .
ooh . all of a sudden i don't feel too good.
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

postie28 wrote:was wondering about stages myself earlier on. if all this is correct then i'm back down from stage 2 to a big juicy zero. .
ooh . all of a sudden i don't feel too good.
:Very Happy :Very Happy :nana :nana
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Post by postie28 »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
postie28 wrote:was wondering about stages myself earlier on. if all this is correct then i'm back down from stage 2 to a big juicy zero. .
ooh . all of a sudden i don't feel too good.
:Very Happy :Very Happy :nana :nana
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hey. that's exactly how i feel !!
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