way forward 2010

[ihatedogs]

hi guys, not sure if this is in right forum but I need to get hold of a copy of the way forward agreement if anyone can point me in the right direction. had a look in downloads but cant find it. If it helps I'm looking for appendix 14.9. cheers.
Edit: found it through http://www.cwunwdivision.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; cheers again

[Glenno]

http://www.cwu-e4.co.uk/Royal_Mail_Way_ ... eement.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DICKIEG]

Can somebody please explain about the annual leave, in the way forward agreement, as I read it, a week is a week off whether it be a 4, 5, or 6 day attendance, the only time the attendances come into account is if you take the week as odd days over the year. Here is my eg I work a 5 day week (with a day off) I book one week off have I used a week or 5 days, another eg I work a 6 day week (rotational week off) am I using a week or 6 days. Hope you guys understand what im trying to say and can helpout. Thankx

[rehabron]

Can somebody please explain about the annual leave, in the way forward agreement, as I read it, a week is a week off whether it be a 4, 5, or 6 day attendance, the only time the attendances come into account is if you take the week as odd days over the year. Here is my eg I work a 5 day week (with a day off) I book one week off have I used a week or 5 days, another eg I work a 6 day week (rotational week off) am I using a week or 6 days. Hope you guys understand what im trying to say and can helpout. Thankx

Time off is calculated in hours not days.

[crazyshrew]

Can somebody please explain about the annual leave, in the way forward agreement, as I read it, a week is a week off whether it be a 4, 5, or 6 day attendance, the only time the attendances come into account is if you take the week as odd days over the year. Here is my eg I work a 5 day week (with a day off) I book one week off have I used a week or 5 days, another eg I work a 6 day week (rotational week off) am I using a week or 6 days. Hope you guys understand what im trying to say and can helpout. Thankx

For someone who works a 5 day week it is 5 days annual leave, days 6+7 covered by what would have been our day off and the Sunday. Nice and simple

Some would argue that the 6 day week should also cost them only 5 days annual leave, as the 6th day is them working their rest day.
It's probably more correct to think of it, not as banking rest days, but as working that 6th week in advance so you can have it off

Working 6a 6 day week is you working a 5 day week + the rest day.
5 weeks working an extra day, gives you the 6th week off - The 5 days you would have worked (which have now been worked in advance) + a rest day

Booking a week off should then cost you 6 days, as it's 5 days that week and the 6th day is actually a day in the future - during your rotational week.

If someone wanted the whole 6 working days of the week off but only wanted it to cost them 5 days they would then owe Royal Mail a day, as they would only have worked 4 days of the 6th week off

Does that that make sense?

[DICKIEG]

The reason I asked was because if you click on the way forward link above and then scroll down to annual leave entitlement it says a week off is a week off regardless of the days worked unless you work 3 days or less. It also says a week is only counted as days if you choose to break the week up into odd days. That's the way I'm reading it but I stand to be corrected

[aiden01]

Can somebody please explain about the annual leave, in the way forward agreement, as I read it, a week is a week off whether it be a 4, 5, or 6 day attendance, the only time the attendances come into account is if you take the week as odd days over the year. Here is my eg I work a 5 day week (with a day off) I book one week off have I used a week or 5 days, another eg I work a 6 day week (rotational week off) am I using a week or 6 days. Hope you guys understand what im trying to say and can helpout. Thankx

Time off is calculated in hours not days.

wrong we still work on the basis of days not hours.

[UnhappyGremlin]

Can somebody please explain about the annual leave, in the way forward agreement, as I read it, a week is a week off whether it be a 4, 5, or 6 day attendance, the only time the attendances come into account is if you take the week as odd days over the year. Here is my eg I work a 5 day week (with a day off) I book one week off have I used a week or 5 days, another eg I work a 6 day week (rotational week off) am I using a week or 6 days. Hope you guys understand what im trying to say and can helpout. Thankx

Time off is calculated in hours not days.

wrong we still work on the basis of days not hours.

No it's not.

The PSP system works ONLY on hours, and leave is booked in hours.

For example, those staff who work 3X52 Hour weeks, then get a week off in exchange, have to book 52 hours to get a week off.
This means that they "only get" about 4.5 weeks a year off (after 20 years service).

Whereas I, on 39 hours, get 6 weeks off.

But it amounts to the same amount of time overall.

[aiden01]

Can somebody please explain about the annual leave, in the way forward agreement, as I read it, a week is a week off whether it be a 4, 5, or 6 day attendance, the only time the attendances come into account is if you take the week as odd days over the year. Here is my eg I work a 5 day week (with a day off) I book one week off have I used a week or 5 days, another eg I work a 6 day week (rotational week off) am I using a week or 6 days. Hope you guys understand what im trying to say and can helpout. Thankx

Time off is calculated in hours not days.

wrong we still work on the basis of days not hours.

No it's not.

The PSP system works ONLY on hours, and leave is booked in hours.

For example, those staff who work 3X52 Hour weeks, then get a week off in exchange, have to book 52 hours to get a week off.
This means that they "only get" about 4.5 weeks a year off (after 20 years service).

Whereas I, on 39 hours, get 6 weeks off.

But it amounts to the same amount of time overall.

well my most recent leave sheet says days remaining nothing about hours remaining.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Locally its done on days/weeks.

Nationally and centrally its done on hours. Has been that way for 4 years:

Basically the managers fudge it for an easier life.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 15&t=46336" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; LTB 552/12 People Portal System (PSP)

Annual leave

There is no material change to the amount of leave which employees are entitled to. Annual leave will continue to be allocated to employees based on the hours they work and their contractual entitlements in terms of leave. However the PSP will record and process annual leave in hours instead of days, meaning that leave entitlements will be reduced by the actual hours and minutes taken – not days as is current practice. This means that leave can now be taken in hours if a full day is not required.

For example an employee contracted to work on a Tuesday for 6 hours will have 6 hours deducted from their leave entitlement rather than 1 day, alternatively an employee contracted to work 9 hrs will have 9 hours deducted rather than 1 day.

The leave year will continue to run from April to March. Leave entitlements will be rounded up to the nearest half day and will then be converted into hours. When leave is taken, it will be reduced by hours and minutes with no rounding, except by the conversion to decimals. This is the only change to annual leave. Leave entitlements and the principles of how this is allocated will not be changing whatsoever.

Where someone starts or leaves part way through the year their leave entitlement will be pro-rated by dividing their contractual entitlement by (the total number of days in the holiday year divided by those remaining).

Leave reserves will continue to have their annual leave allocated in days converted to standard 8 hour days. Therefore a day is a standard day for leave, absence, pay deductions etc.

Communications, training and support will be provided to Bookroom staff on how to manage this transition from annual leave in days to hours. This will be rolled out as part of the PSP roll out so not all regions will change at the same time.

The amount of days left at the end of the entitlement year for an employee will be carried over automatically in the system. Negative leave balances created due to transition to the new system will be waived.
Where an individual wishes to take a days leave but has a shortfall in remaining hours to do so they will be allowed, in agreement with their manager, to draw the shortfall in hours down from next years leave allocation with that leave allocation being adjusted accordingly.

The annual leave purchase scheme remains unaffected by this change over to PSP.

[blacko]

Crazyshrew is dead right. If you work six days and have a rest week then a full weeks A/L would be six days. If you only credit 5 days for a weeks A/L then you would not have earned enough days to take your rest week.

It would be no good looking this up in the 'way Forward' as it come out in 1999.There is no mention of it, as i recall, in the BT2010.The 'Way Forward' came out long before rest weeks were in practice. It's just common sense. You work 6 days per week to bank a day every week towards your rest week.You need to bank 5 days + the day off on your rest week. If for one of those weeks you have 5 days leave then you haven't banked a day on that week so would be a day short of your rest week