FUTURE ACTION IF WE GET A "NO" VOTE

[tenpole tudorsack]

Should we get, (and I hope we do), a No vote, what action are we allowed to take?

I believe we would not have to re-ballot for strike action, but are strike days the way to get the end result?

I ask this because I know there are a few waverers beginning to surface and some stating outright "I can't do this again." Before you all give me a good stoning, let me just say, I want the workforce to be cohesive, to stick together and not be broken, if and when we take action.
In our DO we have acheived more through a "withdrawal of goodwill" than losing money with striking (do the job right, ban overtime etc). I think if we can get people on board with this idea we could save tearing ourselves apart with strike days, losing money and people crossing picket lines.

I know this is controversial and I may be out my depth because it works in my delivery office; maybe not in yours and you guys may be able to shoot the idea down as not workable. What do you think?

I wait, head between knees waiting for the big bang

[k979aaa]

STRIKE before christmas yes you may not be able to afford it but can you afford not to!. THE FACT'S £10000-40000 OFF YOUR PENSION £1250 OFF YOUR HDS £2000 OFF YOUR OVERTIME BASED ON 4.5 HOUR A WEEK OVER A YEAR COVERING 1/2 A WALK A WEEK FOR ONE DAY OR WORKING 10 HOUR DAY'S WHEN YOUR BOSS SAY'S SO NO GOOD REDUNDACIE PAYMENT'S 1 WEEK FOR EVERY YEAR YOU TELL ME YOU CANNOT AFFORD IT NOW !.

[DirtyHarry]

Nah, for sheer immediate impact, all-out indefinate strike action will always be the quickest, most effective form of IA.

[ulster postie]

its a fair point, if we get the no vote its well worth a debate.

[Carnoustie]

I hate to say it, but RM have out-smarted us at every turn since we stupidly agreed to suspend strikes whilst 'talks' took place.

With Leighton being a non-executive director at News International, publishers of The Sun and The Times, do you really think the press would be kind to us if we set strike dates that will disrupt the postal service just before Christmas ? Get real ! A massive public-relations own-goal if we do Plus there is a huge risk of people crossing picket lines because losing money at that time of year ruins their own Christmas plans.

We have to be smarter than RM this time, if a No vote to the pay deal is secured.

I'd want the CWU to run a media campaign along the lines of

'Our members, having been totally misled about the true state of Royal Mail's finances before, during, and after the recent pay negotiations, have indicated their displeasure at the recent draft agreement, and wish to see a fairer distribution of the profits that their efforts helped create. Unlike Adam Crozier, they are not expecting to receive a 26% pay rise, but they do seek a settlement that better reflects their contribution to the profitability of the business, and certainly one that gives them a pay increase in real terms, not one that is below the prevailing rate of inflation and therefore a pay CUT.
In support of this revised claim, our members recognise the adverse effect that strike action would have on deliveries of seasonal cards and packages at this most special time of year. We have, therefore, notified Royal Mail of a four weeks of rolling strikes that are due to commence immediately after Christmas, should they choose not to enter into - and satisfactorily conclude - meaningful negotiations that result in an improved offer to our membership.'

If we did that, we
a) wouldn't alienate the public quite as blatantly as striking before Christmas would do
b) have a much better chance of getting strong support in terms of numbers going out on strike, and
c) make RM look like the villains if they make no move at all to enter into talks when almost 30 days notice of further strikes has been given

Sound like a plan ?

[k979aaa]

its a fair point, if we get the no vote its well worth a debate.

It is up to you and i and every one else to explain in the most simple term's to all the implication's of not voteing or voteing yes we must all endevor to sell the no voteat all cost's for the leadership has been bought with cheep assureancess.!

[tenpole tudorsack]

Don't think our backlog will be cleared before Christmas anyway, even with a "yes" vote because of the anti-climax. I for one, will be dissapointed at having to accept being "sold- out", so they'll have to be rather forceful (or is that bullying)? to get me back in line. I'm beginning to enjoy "withdrawing my goodwill"!!!

[tenpole tudorsack]

We have a few variations to my post at the moment:

Strike after Christmas to keep the customer on our side
Strike before Christmas to maximise effect
All-out indefinite strike to bring RM to it's knees
Wait for the "no" vote and debate it

[k979aaa]

We have a few variations to my post at the moment:

Strike after Christmas to keep the customer on our side
Strike before Christmas to maximise effect
All-out indefinite strike to bring RM to it's knees
Wait for the "no" vote and debate it

Can you afford to keep going till next christmas if not do it before it will prick the very conscience of the public the govenrment and theirfore the management we must strike while the iron is still hot.

[strangler]

We have a few variations to my post at the moment:

Strike after Christmas to keep the customer on our side
Strike before Christmas to maximise effect
All-out indefinite strike to bring RM to it's knees
Wait for the "no" vote and debate it

If by this you mean unofficial action (?) then I believe RM will go to court and try (successfully no doubt) to freeze the unions assets. I wonder if this possibility was what pre-empted this dreadful deal the union signed up to.

[bigsharkboy]

We have a few variations to my post at the moment:

Strike after Christmas to keep the customer on our side
Strike before Christmas to maximise effect
All-out indefinite strike to bring RM to it's knees
Wait for the "no" vote and debate it

If by this you mean unofficial action (?) then I believe RM will go to court and try (successfully no doubt) to freeze the unions assets. I wonder if this possibility was what pre-empted this dreadful deal the union signed up to.

i smell a rat

[wakkono]

xmas is coming an all outer starting december 1st i reckon for a week and they will be screwed trouble is now if we have a no vote the cwu has no credability left at all and they cant be taken seriously any more

[yorkie]

OK we get a no vote, what then RM will impose measures by executive action, no talking with the union let alone negotiate. All out unofficial action, Xmas on the horizon who will crack 1st Leighton & Crozier in the Maldives for Xmas or the members with no money freezing cold on a picket line.

Get real, take the money, negotiate and take them on through the IR, if that fails official action. Merry Xmas

[janitor]

There's very little chance of IA before christmas, all assuming a no vote, ballot closes 27th nov, will take union a week at least to get results so thats 1st week dec, then the pec sit around and talk about it thats second week dec, then announce strike dates 7 days notice required thats christmas, thats without having to cancel the first lot of strike dates due to union screwing up paper work.

[k979aaa]

There's very little chance of IA before christmas, all assuming a no vote, ballot closes 27th nov, will take union a week at least to get results so thats 1st week dec, then the pec sit around and talk about it thats second week dec, then announce strike dates 7 days notice required thats christmas, thats without having to cancel the first lot of strike dates due to union screwing up paper work.

Your telling me it is going to take a week to count the results of 130,000 ballot papers your kidding me!. Result should be two day's max from close of ballot!.