No. 229/15
Ref: 230.03
Date: 9th April 2015
To: Branches with POSTAL Members
Dear Colleague,
Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise – National TOR- Phase 2
Further to LTB 675/14 and the outdoor planning value exercise, we have agreed to carry out further validation on the outdoor elements of delivery (phase 2) using fully trained Industrial Engineers. The agreed TOR, which is basically the same as the TOR used for the initial outdoor validation is attached.
The main reason for this remains the same as the initial outdoor validation exercise which is due to the efficiency review that continues to take place on behalf of Ofcom the regulator.
There were a number of studies carried out on delivery including some that did not exist when planning values on outdoor work were originally established, these are mainly the trolleys, CDVs, PDAs and Delivery to Neighbour which we need to establish a planning value for as it is becoming more and more prevalent in the drive for first time delivery and we need appropriate time allocated to delivery routes for this to be carried out. The initial study did not gather enough information for reliable PVs to be used and some had a fairly wide discrepancy and are therefore not suitable.
The objective of the exercise is to provide more reliable and accurate reporting. We have requested the filming of some elements of outdoor work so that they can be used as a reference point and to be able to demonstrate how the outdoor elements should be carried out. Filming will only take place where the person due to be filmed agrees.
We will have full access to all information/data generated and the CWU will be involved at all sites and at national level. The list of sites to be included is attached (Annex A).
The exercise is due to commence this month.
Any enquiries to Bob Gibson’s Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org or Mstewart@cwu.org
Yours sincerely
Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary
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hans solo
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
so everyone will use the trolly they were supplied with then or have they all gone to the scrappy
f***ing outdoor planning

f***ing outdoor planning
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IloveMYredTROLLEY!
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
I'd like to see the CWU and RM agree to ensure not a single OPG leaves the depot with incorrect delivery equipment for their duty while this study goes on.
I'd like the study to happen using true typical workloads of letters, parcels and D2D for the time of year.
I'd like everyone banned from entering the depot early and then every minute of liable overtime, taking account of the outdoor meal relief, to be paid.
etc. etc.
How will those HCT users who use a pouch daily cope?
How will those PnL duties cope using their LWTs again for the first time in years, except on loops involving blocks of flats?
Was that a pig I just saw flying?
I'd like the study to happen using true typical workloads of letters, parcels and D2D for the time of year.
I'd like everyone banned from entering the depot early and then every minute of liable overtime, taking account of the outdoor meal relief, to be paid.
etc. etc.
How will those HCT users who use a pouch daily cope?
How will those PnL duties cope using their LWTs again for the first time in years, except on loops involving blocks of flats?
Was that a pig I just saw flying?
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worktotime
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
managers are the worse for not using the lwt when they are mopping up cut offs etc , and they encourage postie not to use the lwt and run round with a bag on there backs, idiots.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
So much science in delivering a letter,unbelievable!
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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hampshireman
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
But Postman... we are Parcel focussed. so letters are somewhat less important?POSTMAN wrote:So much science in delivering a letter,unbelievable!
I could be wrong of course
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Hawkey99
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
I kind of feel sorry for our managers. Every day they badger people to use Trollies and take their Meal Breaks and every days the rushers and flyers find a way to avoid doing it or using their trollies.
Our lot are their own worst enemies.
Our lot are their own worst enemies.
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rubberbond
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
[quote="IloveMYredTROLLEY!"]I'd like to see the CWU and RM agree to ensure not a single OPG leaves the depot with incorrect delivery equipment for their duty while this study goes on.
I'd like the study to happen using true typical workloads of letters, parcels and D2D for the time of year.
I'd like everyone banned from entering the depot early and then every minute of liable overtime, taking account of the outdoor meal relief, to be paid.
etc. etc.
How will those HCT users who use a pouch daily cope?
How will those PnL duties cope using their LWTs again for the first time in years, except on loops involving blocks of flats?
And once people are out there,they then resort to the previous method of working, which is impossible to enforce by the managers anyway. On a further point when your van is full of bags ,parcels etc, on a busy day, where is the room for the "proper" equipment. See your point though,ain't ever going to happen.
I'd like the study to happen using true typical workloads of letters, parcels and D2D for the time of year.
I'd like everyone banned from entering the depot early and then every minute of liable overtime, taking account of the outdoor meal relief, to be paid.
etc. etc.
How will those HCT users who use a pouch daily cope?
How will those PnL duties cope using their LWTs again for the first time in years, except on loops involving blocks of flats?
And once people are out there,they then resort to the previous method of working, which is impossible to enforce by the managers anyway. On a further point when your van is full of bags ,parcels etc, on a busy day, where is the room for the "proper" equipment. See your point though,ain't ever going to happen.
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
It isn't rocket science.rubberbond wrote: On a further point when your van is full of bags ,parcels etc, on a busy day, where is the room for the "proper" equipment. See your point though,ain't ever going to happen.
The proper delivery equipment effectively forms part of your basic H&S.
There might not be room for all the parcels etc, but there is always room for the trolley.
Never let the hand you hold, hold you down.
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Re: Delivery Outdoor Planning Value Validation Exercise : Na
i could be a tad squew if, but during our PIR one question was are managers performing on site/delivery checks. This as far as i could gather is an ongoing requirement so yes it can be enforced with conduct code repurcussions.rubberbond wrote:IloveMYredTROLLEY! wrote:I'd like to see the CWU and RM agree to ensure not a single OPG leaves the depot with incorrect delivery equipment for their duty while this study goes on.
I'd like the study to happen using true typical workloads of letters, parcels and D2D for the time of year.
I'd like everyone banned from entering the depot early and then every minute of liable overtime, taking account of the outdoor meal relief, to be paid.
etc. etc.
How will those HCT users who use a pouch daily cope?
How will those PnL duties cope using their LWTs again for the first time in years, except on loops involving blocks of flats?
And once people are out there,they then resort to the previous method of working, which is impossible to enforce by the managers anyway. On a further point when your van is full of bags ,parcels etc, on a busy day, where is the room for the "proper" equipment. See your point though,ain't ever going to happen.
Confused... You won't be, after the next episode of. SOAP