conducted for carrying a bag HELP ????

[markus]

i got caught carrying a bag ... sposed to use a lwt .. park and loop system ..
i no i shouldnt be using it but had to finnish bang on time coz of child care problems.
anyway the problem is the manager give me a fact finding interveiw for it then nearly 2weeks later gave me a 1 year reprimand
IS THIS RIGHT ?????
SHOULD I GET COUCILING FIRST ???
THIS IS MY FIRST EVER OFFENCE FOR ANYTHING AT ROYAL MAIL IN 5 YEARS... SURLY THIS ISNT RIGHT !!!!!!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Sorry - but you knew it was wrong so beyond you not getting a 1 year reprimand what would counselling achieve. Counselling is basically telling you how to do something correctly because:

1. You did not know the correct method.
2. You had not been trained to the correct standard
3. You were not doing the task at an acceptable level.

You quite clearly state you knew you were doing wrong, and no doubt had been made aware of at an WTL. The manager would have been aware of that and had a paper trail to prove it. It has since its introduction been a conduct-able offence to not use the appropriate equipment and a 1 year warning is probably the lowest punishment you could expect.

What you should have done was advise them as per the rules about being unable to complete the delivery and let him make the decision. If the discussion did not produce the results you wanted or they refused to manage the situation then you should have contacted the CWU Rep/Bolshy mate, and got their help.

With Child care problems and "flexibility" a decent rep should have been able to get some of the work covered for you and the manager if he was aware of the situation should have done it without pressure from the rep. Flexibility can be asked for by workers as well management and you could have finished 30 minutes earlier and made the time up later in the week, with childcare issues this would have been an ideal solution for both.

I know that it can be frustrating and intimidating advising the manager when you can't complete and you have my sympathy, but now you can see the pitfalls of making your own decision without authority. My advice would be starting playing the managers by the rules.

[markus]

and has any body got a number for HR were i can actualy speak to some one about rm procedures ??

[clashcityrocker]

and has any body got a number for HR were i can actualy speak to some one about rm procedures ??

It is on your pay slip.
If you don't agree with the manager's decision you can appeal it.
What did your rep say?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

and has any body got a number for HR were i can actualy speak to some one about rm procedures ??

It is on your pay slip.
If you don't agree with the manager's decision you can appeal it.
What did your rep say?

The P&M2007 agreement and the 2010BT agreement are both in downloads.

Thee 30 minute flexibility with swings and roundabouts is in P&M2007 and the child care issue entitlements are written into law so you could check out https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; or get advice from the CAB/Union.

[fishtank]

It does state in the WTL brief that it should be counselling for the first offence.

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[TrueBlueTerrier]

[clashcityrocker]

It does state in the WTL brief that it should be counselling for the first offence.

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But it would also surely depend on his attitude at the fact finding?

[fishtank]

It does state in the WTL brief that it should be counselling for the first offence.

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But it would also surely depend on his attitude at the fact finding?

I wouldn't think so unless the member stated that they had no intention of using the correct methods even after counselling and you would have to be really stupid to do that.
The brief is unusually clear for RM and i suppose in our favour.
The first instance will result in counselling,further breaches may result in disciplinary action.
Normally it's the other way round.

[AnotherLimey]

19 days ago you posted....

iv got a question if u work using the new delivery methods ie. 2 to a van .. light weight trollies
what could happen if u got caught carrying a bag on your shoulder ????
whats the conduct rules on this ??????
whats the worst outcome ???

You have a history of it, people like you kill the job and make it worse for us doing the job as it's suppose to be done, i am a union rep and will stand toe to toe with managers defending members, people like you can do one now as far as i am concerned

[dvbuk55]

Suck it up markus - you've been made an example. I'd wager that's not the first time you've done it - just the first time you've been caught. Hopefully it will teach you a lesson - if you can't finish on time leave in - but still use the trolley.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

It does state in the WTL brief that it should be counselling for the first offence.

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But it would also surely depend on his attitude at the fact finding?

I wouldn't think so unless the member stated that they had no intention of using the correct methods even after counselling and you would have to be really stupid to do that.
The brief is unusually clear for RM and i suppose in our favour.
The first instance will result in counselling,further breaches may result in disciplinary action.
Normally it's the other way round.

But does the "counselling" have to be a formal sit down in my office type interview or could a quick conversation at the frame such as "saw you using a pouch yesterday - don't do it again" be considered enough.

[clashcityrocker]

But it would also surely depend on his attitude at the fact finding?

I wouldn't think so unless the member stated that they had no intention of using the correct methods even after counselling and you would have to be really stupid to do that.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

But it would also surely depend on his attitude at the fact finding?

I wouldn't think so unless the member stated that they had no intention of using the correct methods even after counselling and you would have to be really stupid to do that.

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are you not aloud to use a bag at all then ?
i thought if the bag was under 11 kilos you could use one

cant use a bag unless its in ur walk log ... lwt all the time other wise..

[fishtank]

But does the "counselling" have to be a formal sit down in my office type interview or could a quick conversation at the frame such as "saw you using a pouch yesterday - don't do it again" be considered enough.

Difficult to say but i would imagine to tick all the boxes it would have to involve a paper trail at least to determine whether there were any personal physical reasons why you couldn't use the trolley or whether there were any walk related issues.

Lol...as the kids would say.