13th july

[ljm]

ok so every year we get 12th and 13th of july off work. they now decide they need workers in on 13th this year and drew names from a hat to decide who was to work. can they just make the rules up as they go along cause thats how it seems.

[Bahia Feliz]

Every year you get 12th & 13th July off?
Do you work for Royal Mail?

[DGP1]

We've been told that the whole office is to come in................there is some serious anger in the office at the minute.

And yes, we work for RM and we do get the 12th and 13th off but that's because nobody can move here on the 12th and the 13th is just taken from our normal leave so it doesn't cost RM anything extra. Although we where told that it was because the union in England had complained.............which TBH I can actually believe these days.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Every year you get 12th & 13th July off?
Do you work for Royal Mail?

Just because we all work for the same company does not mean we all get the same public holidays. http://www.royalmail.com/delivery/mail- ... #105100850" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unfortunately for our NI colleagues it looks according to that link that the 13th July is a normal delivery/collection day.

[DGP1]

Every year you get 12th & 13th July off?
Do you work for Royal Mail?

Just because we all work for the same company does not mean we all get the same public holidays. http://www.royalmail.com/delivery/mail- ... #105100850" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unfortunately for our NI colleagues it looks according to that link that the 13th July is a normal delivery/collection day.

But it never has been, it's always been a non service day which came out of our leave.

I don't suppose the CWU will even put up a fight seeing as it's not affecting London

[venom]

Every year you get 12th & 13th July off?
Do you work for Royal Mail?

Just because we all work for the same company does not mean we all get the same public holidays. http://www.royalmail.com/delivery/mail- ... #105100850" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unfortunately for our NI colleagues it looks according to that link that the 13th July is a normal delivery/collection day.

But it never has been, it's always been a non service day which came out of our leave.

I don't suppose the CWU will even put up a fight seeing as it's not affecting London

sounds about right

[Martin Walsh]

Well in London we fight things we dont agree with including taking strike action. Perhaps you should unite and do the same.

London have not got things based on where we are , the simple fact of the matter is that over the years we have fought indpendent of other parts of the union and Headquarters to achieve these things.

One thing i have learnt over the years , people can moan , people can be jealous or they can choose to organise and fight and thats what we in London have done over the years.

The union has always been a federal union , it was an amalgamation of unions in the first place including the London Letter Carriers and through the Branch set up it remains to be a federal union. Why does some people and reps let Royal Mail do what they want and then moan about it and criticse London for not letting Royal Mail get away with it.

But hey que all the abuse I will now get for simply stating the obvious. The union does not start and begin at CWU Headquarters it begins in each office and workplace. If you dont like what Royal Mail are doing dont accept it , organise and fight and make sure that your voice is heard.

[hans solo]

tried and failed due to union in hq taking over last dispute rem 2010 bullshit

[dvbuk55]

Well in London we fight things we dont agree with including taking strike action. Perhaps you should unite and do the same.

London have not got things based on where we are , the simple fact of the matter is that over the years we have fought indpendent of other parts of the union and Headquarters to achieve these things.

One thing i have learnt over the years , people can moan , people can be jealous or they can choose to organise and fight and thats what we in London have done over the years.

The union has always been a federal union , it was an amalgamation of unions in the first place including the London Letter Carriers and through the Branch set up it remains to be a federal union. Why does some people and reps let Royal Mail do what they want and then moan about it and criticse London for not letting Royal Mail get away with it.

But hey que all the abuse I will now get for simply stating the obvious. The union does not start and begin at CWU Headquarters it begins in each office and workplace. If you dont like what Royal Mail are doing dont accept it , organise and fight and make sure that your voice is heard.

Yes London have a strong base and use the national membership to push for their own ends. It's all too easy to say London this and London that but HQ is on your doorstep and very cosy too. You have a 95%+ full time workforce with a membership concomitant with that figure. I've told you before that you live in a union wonderland - try your same antics in an office with a 50/50 FT/PT split with 40% non union members and see how much attention is paid by RM. What surprises me is that you don't have a national London day holiday for the olympics and extra payment for it.

[DGP1]

Well in London we fight things we dont agree with including taking strike action. Perhaps you should unite and do the same.

London have not got things based on where we are , the simple fact of the matter is that over the years we have fought indpendent of other parts of the union and Headquarters to achieve these things.

One thing i have learnt over the years , people can moan , people can be jealous or they can choose to organise and fight and thats what we in London have done over the years.

The union has always been a federal union , it was an amalgamation of unions in the first place including the London Letter Carriers and through the Branch set up it remains to be a federal union. Why does some people and reps let Royal Mail do what they want and then moan about it and criticse London for not letting Royal Mail get away with it.

But hey que all the abuse I will now get for simply stating the obvious. The union does not start and begin at CWU Headquarters it begins in each office and workplace. If you dont like what Royal Mail are doing dont accept it , organise and fight and make sure that your voice is heard.

Really, so it's right that the union just lets RM management do whatever they want? Without any fight from the union reps (who are all based in the MC and so won't be working the 13the anyway, just like management).

[Martin Walsh]

DGP I was one of those who came over when you were out on strike and even was invited back for the celebration at the fish market later in the year so I know some of you are strong and fight.

There are plenty of other areas in the country who stand up for themselves , my complaint is that there are too many reps at all levels who don't want to get their hands dirty by meeting the members and addressing their issues. If you leave members isolated they will blame everyone when in reality all they need is help .

Dvbuk there may be offices with 50 / 50 ratio of full time to part time but in 2009 at the start of Royal Mail's delivery best praticse full time to part time in all area was : 108, 861 full timers and 35 313 part timers plus 1252 full time fixed term contracts and 2434 part time fixed term contracts.

The figures were mail centres and delivery offices combined.

Now each area was

Centra and West London 3546 FT and 618 PT. =
East Anglia 4505 FT and 1308 PT =
East And North London 2613FT and 235 PT =
Essex and Romford 4320FT and 840PT =
Croydon and Gatwick 4178ft and 637PT =
Twickenham , Kingston and Guildford 3484FT and 382PT =
Kent 3885FT and 382PT =
Home Counties West 3120 FT and 514PT =
Home Counties North 4965FT and 865PT =
South London 3884FT and 369 PT =
South and East Yorkshire 3066FT and 2755PT =
East Scotland 3376FT and 1369PT =
Manchester 3280FT and 1385PT =
Cumbria and Lancashire 3935FT and 1706PT =
Chershire and Merseyside 2946FT and 798PT =
North of Scotland 1594FT and 664PT
Northen Ireland 2079FT and 1291PT =
North East Of England 3244FT and 2137PT =
West of Scotland 3082 FT and 2016PT
Mid Yorkshire 4441FT and 2236 PT
Chester , Shropshire and North and Mid Wales 2955FT and 990PT
Devon and Cornwall 2709FT and 1369FT
East Midlands 2476 FT and 1229PT
North and West Midlands 2563FT and 1190PT
South and West Wales 3455FT and 1118PT
Central and South Midlands 3848FT and 1212PT
Thames Valley and Gloucester 4543FT and 1085PT
Hampshire and Dorset 3953 FT and 1333PT
West of England 2941Ft and 1036PT
Birmingham, Hereford and Worcester 3404 FT and 940 PT

[dvbuk55]

Dvbuk there may be offices with 50 / 50 ratio of full time to part time but in 2009 at the start of Royal Mail's delivery best praticse full time to part time in all area was : 108, 861 full timers and 35 313 part timers plus 1252 full time fixed term contracts and 2434 part time fixed term contracts.

You'll forgive me for mentioning dingo that the figures you quote aren't 75/25 but more 2/3rds to 1/3rd and I might add that we all took strike action in 2009 and since that date no full time position has been filled in our office. Our office stands at 60/40 at present with about 25% of staff not in the union nor remotely interested in joining, nor does it look like there is much of a campaign to recruit. At the time of the agreement some offices had a staffing level of 50/50 which hasn't been addressed. Many offices are running with part time staff on 25 hours, working many more on overtime instead of increasing the contracted hours, the union are well aware of this practice and are failing to monitor it, surely it is in the unions interest to get this rectified - not least of all it means increased revenue.

[Martin Walsh]

Dvbuk as I said in the thread it includes mail centre part time staff which obviously brings the percentages down.

[dvbuk55]

Dvbuk as I said in the thread it includes mail centre part time staff which obviously brings the percentages down.

Hardly significant and I assume the agreement covers everyone.

[cumbriakev]

Dvbuk there may be offices with 50 / 50 ratio of full time to part time but in 2009 at the start of Royal Mail's delivery best praticse full time to part time in all area was : 108, 861 full timers and 35 313 part timers plus 1252 full time fixed term contracts and 2434 part time fixed term contracts.

You'll forgive me for mentioning dingo that the figures you quote aren't 75/25 but more 2/3rds to 1/3rd and I might add that we all took strike action in 2009 and since that date no full time position has been filled in our office. Our office stands at 60/40 at present with about 25% of staff not in the union nor remotely interested in joining, nor does it look like there is much of a campaign to recruit. At the time of the agreement some offices had a staffing level of 50/50 which hasn't been addressed. Many offices are running with part time staff on 25 hours, working many more on overtime instead of increasing the contracted hours, the union are well aware of this practice and are failing to monitor it, surely it is in the unions interest to get this rectified - not least of all it means increased revenue.

Since our revision 10 months ago, we are now 7 full timers less(either left or bought down) with not 1 person made up to full time. We now run on about 50/50 ft & pt. As you say the union are letting them away with it. No body has been made up for 6 years in our office.