ive been off work since mid march and the ATOS doctor recommended IHR as i wouldnt be fit enough to return to my duties but may well be able to work at a lighter job. I was called into my office and offered the lump sum IHR which is equivalent to 34 weeks pay and 12 weeks pilon (if applicable). is the pilon my holiday pay etc.
Also manager said that one weeks pay could be held back as i had went on a weeks holiday in june whilst on the sick. is he entitled to do this. it was a surprise holiday but my wife had arranged to get my leave changed to suit this so the office did know the intention of going away for a week.
We were a pilot for the pegasus system and have been working it since introduction so will i be entitled to the next payment which hasnt been forthcoming yet. just not sure what final sum i should be looking to get.
any advice would be great thanks
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POSTMAN
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Re: IHR
Any offers on this,doesn't sound right to me.Also manager said that one weeks pay could be held back as i had went on a weeks holiday in june whilst on the sick.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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wayoutman
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Re: IHR
i have the agreement but no scanner...
SICK PAY AND SICK LEAVE RATES AND CONDITIONS (intranet).
4.4 conditions on which sick pay is paid.
entitlement to sick pay is always subject to strict observance of the following conditions;
a) certs of incaacity must be recieved by the business for all sick absences.
b) the business must be satisfied that an employees absence is necessary and due to genuine illness.
c) the business reserves the right to refuse sick pay if an absence is due to , or is aggravated by causes within the employees control, or if the employee has neglected instructions given by a doctor.
d)an absent employee shall remain at their normal home address (other than to recieve inpatient treatment) unless they have consent of their line manager. employees who are sick immediately before they go away must confirm to their LM that they are going on holiday on the due date (unless sick absence continues and the employee remains at home).
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you are still entitled to SSP for the week at just over £81 and your tax will also adjust, so that will bump it up a bit more.
SICK PAY AND SICK LEAVE RATES AND CONDITIONS (intranet).
4.4 conditions on which sick pay is paid.
entitlement to sick pay is always subject to strict observance of the following conditions;
a) certs of incaacity must be recieved by the business for all sick absences.
b) the business must be satisfied that an employees absence is necessary and due to genuine illness.
c) the business reserves the right to refuse sick pay if an absence is due to , or is aggravated by causes within the employees control, or if the employee has neglected instructions given by a doctor.
d)an absent employee shall remain at their normal home address (other than to recieve inpatient treatment) unless they have consent of their line manager. employees who are sick immediately before they go away must confirm to their LM that they are going on holiday on the due date (unless sick absence continues and the employee remains at home).
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you are still entitled to SSP for the week at just over £81 and your tax will also adjust, so that will bump it up a bit more.
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POSTMAN
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Re: IHR
It's just low isn't it,the guy has to lose his job and they could try to grab a few quid back.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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mazza111
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Re: IHR
When you get the offer in writing, read it carefully. It's usually broken down pretty well and very clearly marked what each payment is for. In theory they could take that week's sick pay back, but if they did...well..
The offer will probably read something like...
Number of weeks in lieu of Notice (PILON) 9Weeks
Pay in lieu of Notice Payment 9 x weekly wage
Number of weeks/days in lieu of leave ? x Weekly/daily rate (mine was daily as i only had 5 days remaining)
Lump Sum payment 34 x weekly rate
Overpayment mine was 0 but keep an eye on it
Last day of service
Payment date
Check all information carefully before signing it :)
The offer will probably read something like...
Number of weeks in lieu of Notice (PILON) 9Weeks
Pay in lieu of Notice Payment 9 x weekly wage
Number of weeks/days in lieu of leave ? x Weekly/daily rate (mine was daily as i only had 5 days remaining)
Lump Sum payment 34 x weekly rate
Overpayment mine was 0 but keep an eye on it
Last day of service
Payment date
Check all information carefully before signing it :)
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postie59
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Re: IHR
thanks guys, i will indeed read thru this carefully and if i have any other queries with go online to ask you all your advice as im still trying to get the area rep involved.
any advice forthcoming reference the colleague shares i hold (wont hold my breath for them) and also the modernisation payment which i mentioned as i have been working on pegasus for the last two years.
any advice forthcoming reference the colleague shares i hold (wont hold my breath for them) and also the modernisation payment which i mentioned as i have been working on pegasus for the last two years.
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stokes11eg
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Re: IHR
postghost wrote:How long does RM have to officially wait before they can go down the IHR route is someone is off sick?
I would presume IHR would only be the case if all other avenues were exhausted?
Or is it a case of RM doing what they like and when?
As a general rule of thumb, If you are likely to be absent for nine months or more, they would look at IHR.-
mazza111
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Re: IHR
You don't even need to have been off for them to consider it. I only lost a few days here and there with my knee injury and worked over a year indoors before I got my IHR. All down to the ATOS report. It was clear when my injury occurred that I wasn't going to be able to complete a duty, therefore IHR.
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postie59
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Re: IHR
Im not particularly objecting to the IHR as i know i wont be able to resume my previous duties and dont want to be shunted from pillar to post but its the fact it has bothered me since i had an AOD in 2009 and have had to have private physio since to keep going and he agrees that my problems started. Im thinking now of going down the road of making a claim for the AOD. I know there is a three year limit for claims. any opinions guys?
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POSTMAN
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Re: IHR
I would claim/sue,especially if the AOD meant i couldn't work for RM anymore.postie59 wrote:Im not particularly objecting to the IHR as i know i wont be able to resume my previous duties and dont want to be shunted from pillar to post but its the fact it has bothered me since i had an AOD in 2009 and have had to have private physio since to keep going and he agrees that my problems started. Im thinking now of going down the road of making a claim for the AOD. I know there is a three year limit for claims. any opinions guys?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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stokes11eg
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Re: IHR
POSTMAN wrote:I would claim/sue,especially if the AOD meant i couldn't work for RM anymore.postie59 wrote:Im not particularly objecting to the IHR as i know i wont be able to resume my previous duties and dont want to be shunted from pillar to post but its the fact it has bothered me since i had an AOD in 2009 and have had to have private physio since to keep going and he agrees that my problems started. Im thinking now of going down the road of making a claim for the AOD. I know there is a three year limit for claims. any opinions guys?
The watchward in suing is how much? Anything below 2000 quid or so, is not really worthwhlie applying for---remember R/M can claim back monies paid out via sickness benefits.Above that amount, be prepared for a long drawn out battle, which could take years..get your rep to explain things to you, before making a decision re your claim, but good luck.