Have you got a letter from Bob Gibson which is to do with the Individual Performance Standards. I had a copy today via the area rep, but I had to show it to management as they were harassing a colleague.
I was supposed to pin it on the board, but I may not see that copy again, but I can take in another one if I can download it.
It is in all honesty similar to what is already on this site, but he has signed it.
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Letter from Bob Gibson
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ldsposti
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Re: Letter from Bob Gibson
I could do with a copy of that, anyone got one 
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superteamu10
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It does seem that the top end of the union are at least trying to do something now. I am surprised nobody else has had a copy.ldsposti wrote:I could do with a copy of that, anyone got one
I thought I would be able to get another copy on here quite quickly.
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POSTMAN
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Scan it and put it up for us.
Also where is the other one on here you mentioned.
Also where is the other one on here you mentioned.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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superteamu10
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Re: Letter from Bob Gibson
I will have to ask the area rep for another one as the DOM has taken it. It was a LTB which I presumed would have been sent out to all.
Although the content in this letter was the same advice as other ones I have seen in the download section to do with IPS. Basically Bob Gibson was saying what some of us already know and that is that only the 1 minute prep test in agreed and you must go to your office or area rep if you are being tested on a throughput.
It just seemed to me that if Bob Gibson had sent this letter to branches then at least they realise this is a big problem.
We had a meeting on Tuesday where the DOM claimed she had an agreement with the union to start disciplining people who were slow with their prep.
When I mentioned that there was no agreement beyond 1 minute and that any throughput rate would not be 25 like it is for 1 minute she looked totally baffled and said she would look into it.
Her plan is obvious, she wants to get rid of all people causing her problems. These are people doing their job correctly and cutting off and/or booking.
In principle, I actually wouldn't object to a fair, independent and transparent throughput test as because over 90% of the office come in early, don't have breaks etc, it is a very good chance that any proper tests results could well show that the ones she wants out are actually not at the bottom.
The problem is that even if she couldn't get rid of the people she would like to, she may still get rid of people who have come bottom of the test.
I think it is something the union has to get to grips with as it just seems a quick and very unjust way for RM to get rid of people.
Although the content in this letter was the same advice as other ones I have seen in the download section to do with IPS. Basically Bob Gibson was saying what some of us already know and that is that only the 1 minute prep test in agreed and you must go to your office or area rep if you are being tested on a throughput.
It just seemed to me that if Bob Gibson had sent this letter to branches then at least they realise this is a big problem.
We had a meeting on Tuesday where the DOM claimed she had an agreement with the union to start disciplining people who were slow with their prep.
When I mentioned that there was no agreement beyond 1 minute and that any throughput rate would not be 25 like it is for 1 minute she looked totally baffled and said she would look into it.
Her plan is obvious, she wants to get rid of all people causing her problems. These are people doing their job correctly and cutting off and/or booking.
In principle, I actually wouldn't object to a fair, independent and transparent throughput test as because over 90% of the office come in early, don't have breaks etc, it is a very good chance that any proper tests results could well show that the ones she wants out are actually not at the bottom.
The problem is that even if she couldn't get rid of the people she would like to, she may still get rid of people who have come bottom of the test.
I think it is something the union has to get to grips with as it just seems a quick and very unjust way for RM to get rid of people.
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Re: Letter from Bob Gibson
I found these on my Comp don't know if they are in Downloads, hope they help.
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And this one
ROYAL MAIL UNAGREED STANDARDS
LETTER AND SPREADSHEET CURRENTLY IN CIRCULATION.
THE FACTS
The Royal Mail documentation currently doing the rounds in delivery Offices can only be described as corporate twaddle. It should be confined to the waste bin and the so called expert who devised it should be taken off pay.
The letter states that the accepted standards are at least 1220 items per hour on IPS and 12 items per minute on preparation. (To emphasise the point that they are twaddle these figures may vary from area to area)
The important thing here is that they are stating “items” and not letters. The fact is that Planning Values were industrially engineered on the different streams of traffic i.e. Letters, Flats, and packets, not a combination of all three.
There are no planning values for IPS that incorporates all three streams as “items”. If by chance they did incorporate all three into one value this would result in significant variations across delivery units because of the variances in the mail profile, i.e. the number of flats, letters, pkts etc can vary on a daily basis on each delivery, and from delivery to delivery. So it is not possible to apply a broad brush approach to any delivery or unit.
Furthermore there is also an anomaly between the letter and the spreadsheet. The letter quotes expected standards of 1220 items IPS & 12 items Prep, yet the spreadsheet uses throughput rates of 750 items for IPS and 10 items for prep. Not very scientific!
The letter also states that “It is a contractual requirement that you work to at least these standards”, it goes on to state “we can compare work rates and from this we can see that you are now not working normally and below the acceptable standards and are therefore not performing your contract properly”. This is nonsense and is designed to frighten people; there is nothing in the contract of employment about meeting arbitrary sorting standards. There is reference to collective agreements in the contract but none of these imposed standards form part of a collective agreement with the CWU. To threaten to take our members off pay if they do not achieve these arbitrary and unagreed standards is totally unacceptable and we are seeking legal advice on this matter.
The spreadsheet takes no account of moving from IPS to prep, dealing with dead letters, redirections, missorts, queuing for specials, loading your pouch/trolley. It is pure fantasy and assumes that our members materialise at the IPS frame and then re-materialise at their prep frame. It is further evidence of the unrealistic approach that Royal Mail is taking towards performance and efficiency. The only way that many of their standards can be achieved is to have a support mechanism of bullying, harassment and intimidation in place. Not that they would stoop to that level!
All members should continue to work normally and work safely. We are not asking anyone to go slow or work below accepted and agreed standards. Do your job properly and maintain your discipline and dignity. Let them lower the standards of behaviour. You are better than that. Thank you for supporting your union and each other.
OUTDOOR DEPARTMENT
COMMUNICATION WORKERS UNION
ROYAL MAIL UNAGREED STANDARDS
LETTER AND SPREADSHEET CURRENTLY IN CIRCULATION.
THE FACTS
The Royal Mail documentation currently doing the rounds in delivery Offices can only be described as corporate twaddle. It should be confined to the waste bin and the so called expert who devised it should be taken off pay.
The letter states that the accepted standards are at least 1220 items per hour on IPS and 12 items per minute on preparation. (To emphasise the point that they are twaddle these figures may vary from area to area)
The important thing here is that they are stating “items” and not letters. The fact is that Planning Values were industrially engineered on the different streams of traffic i.e. Letters, Flats, and packets, not a combination of all three.
There are no planning values for IPS that incorporates all three streams as “items”. If by chance they did incorporate all three into one value this would result in significant variations across delivery units because of the variances in the mail profile, i.e. the number of flats, letters, pkts etc can vary on a daily basis on each delivery, and from delivery to delivery. So it is not possible to apply a broad brush approach to any delivery or unit.
Furthermore there is also an anomaly between the letter and the spreadsheet. The letter quotes expected standards of 1220 items IPS & 12 items Prep, yet the spreadsheet uses throughput rates of 750 items for IPS and 10 items for prep. Not very scientific!
The letter also states that “It is a contractual requirement that you work to at least these standards”, it goes on to state “we can compare work rates and from this we can see that you are now not working normally and below the acceptable standards and are therefore not performing your contract properly”. This is nonsense and is designed to frighten people; there is nothing in the contract of employment about meeting arbitrary sorting standards. There is reference to collective agreements in the contract but none of these imposed standards form part of a collective agreement with the CWU. To threaten to take our members off pay if they do not achieve these arbitrary and unagreed standards is totally unacceptable and we are seeking legal advice on this matter.
The spreadsheet takes no account of moving from IPS to prep, dealing with dead letters, redirections, missorts, queuing for specials, loading your pouch/trolley. It is pure fantasy and assumes that our members materialise at the IPS frame and then re-materialise at their prep frame. It is further evidence of the unrealistic approach that Royal Mail is taking towards performance and efficiency. The only way that many of their standards can be achieved is to have a support mechanism of bullying, harassment and intimidation in place. Not that they would stoop to that level!
All members should continue to work normally and work safely. We are not asking anyone to go slow or work below accepted and agreed standards. Do your job properly and maintain your discipline and dignity. Let them lower the standards of behaviour. You are better than that. Thank you for supporting your union and each other.
OUTDOOR DEPARTMENT
COMMUNICATION WORKERS UNION
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I suspect that is the one shown to the OP Geezer but it is almost 2 years old now.
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good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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Cheers Fish
I think the others i put up are even older, and i can't find anything more up to date on my comp !.
I think the others i put up are even older, and i can't find anything more up to date on my comp !.
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Re: Letter from Bob Gibson
Is there anything on the CWU website regarding recent LTB's ?
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Copy/paste,copy/paste...Basically Bob Gibson was saying what some of us already know
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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fishtank
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Re: Letter from Bob Gibson
POSTMAN wrote:Copy/paste,copy/paste...Basically Bob Gibson was saying what some of us already know
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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£1k a week,right,left click,highlight,right click......fishtank wrote:POSTMAN wrote:Copy/paste,copy/paste...Basically Bob Gibson was saying what some of us already know
I suppose we have to laugh,it's either that or...
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.