Union rep says were all lucky to have jobs.

[tragictramp]

In regards to the agreement our union rep had a meeting with our staff this morning, he couldnt answer most questions, and just said the agreement saves jobs, he was trying to persuade us all to vote yes, and during his speech told us that we are lucky to have jobs at all. He also said that royal mail would have scrapped d2d's altogether if the cap is not removed, i dont know whether he's a lier or royal mail threw up this idle threat during the negotiations to scare the union. D2d are profitable with the cap on so y would they scrap them. Due to this reps amateurish stance it looks like a 90% no vote in my office

I cornered him later on as he was telling us that d2d's will now be done in worktime if the agreement goes thru, he still believes there is no such need to prep a d2d and therefore no time is needed, so in i go tomorrow with the d2d agreement he blindly dont believe exists.

:lfo :mfo :cfo

[Roy Mayall]

He's talking rubbish. Of course RM wouldn't scrap D2D, it's way too profitable for that. Perhaps he meant that they intended to scrap D2D payments, but imagine what would have happened if they'd attempted to do that without consultation. There would have been a riot, and no D2Ds would have been delivered. That's what gets me about this agreement: it's like our union just lay down and played dead, giving everything away. RM would never have got away with it otherwise.

[tragictramp]

yep it just makes no sense at all, how can a union agree to worse work conditions/pay after their supporters have gone on strike cos of current conditions

[viking]

WE got the same crap from our rep.Theyve been brainwashed i think after going to the cwu meeting with the cwu gods.

[drb]

Royal mail DID get away with a lot of things last year to be honest.

For a start crap conditions for part timers

I always moaned about those bloody D2D's as did most posties over the years.

Yet when it now seems that we might ALL get paid for them...uproar!!

And no...reps we are not brainwashed at all...we still don't trust them,(managers).

Trouble is you have had senior managers jump the ship...because?...we are skint mate. One has now gone to British Airways!!!

We cannot work as we have always done.We know this because reps told you so 4 years ago...yes!...4 years ago!

We have hit a wall...I don't like it...but that's the way it is.

PLEASE ! Don't just say "s**t Deal" or "Sold Us Down The River"...Give us solutions......

[tragictramp]

WE got the same crap from our rep.Theyve been brainwashed i think after going to the cwu meeting with the cwu gods.

lol thats what i was saying this morning - either uri gellar's been bending spoons or paul mckennas been upto summat at the cwu gangbang

[tragictramp]

showed union rep d2d agreement this morning, he totally disbelieved any part of it,

he reckons the d2d agreement only applied to keep the 2nd delivery going, and reckons d2d's should not be prepped and carried as additional bundles whilst on the walk, i told him its impossible to do it this way but he insists that the agreement is null and void. I want to contact my area rep to question him on this, cos if our union rep dont believe their own agreements how can he be trusted!?

[nationwide]

He only says that coz he like everyone else knows we are just coming out of a recesion and although there are jobs out there,they are few and far between.If only I had my time again I wouldn't be stuck in this Sh%$ Hole.

[dblad]

Royal mail DID get away with a lot of things last year to be honest.

For a start crap conditions for part timers

I always moaned about those bloody D2D's as did most posties over the years.

Yet when it now seems that we might ALL get paid for them...uproar!!

And no...reps we are not brainwashed at all...we still don't trust them,(managers).

Trouble is you have had senior managers jump the ship...because?...we are skint mate. One has now gone to British Airways!!!

We cannot work as we have always done.We know this because reps told you so 4 years ago...yes!...4 years ago!

We have hit a wall...I don't like it...but that's the way it is.

PLEASE ! Don't just say "s**t Deal" or "Sold Us Down The River"...Give us solutions......

SKINT, then how come this company pays more people than any other company in this country wages of over £100.000 a year, if it's that skint how come Crozier can take out 3 million, and a few below take well over a million a year, and all for a back breaking 6 hour shift in 1 long day a week

[robinhood]

the good thing to come out of this part of the deal re d2d, is now it will be reckonised has being in our workload. prep time will have to be accounted for, ie not coming in early b4 your start time to prep them up.
you can now argue that your call rate as increased and your walk has increased in delivery time.
make no mistake the changes are coming in whether we like it or not
all the new equipment has been budgetted for.
simple solution is to do the job correctly.
i do not mind working my hours, thats what they do in the real world outside.
i get sick of the culture of making time.
What i would say if it is a yes vote we must support the unit reps both IR and HS to police the agreement.

[fishtank]

the good thing to come out of this part of the deal re d2d, is now it will be reckonised has being in our workload. prep time will have to be accounted for, ie not coming in early b4 your start time to prep them up.
you can now argue that your call rate as increased and your walk has increased in delivery time.

Wha do you think at OPG level D2D into workload actually means?
i'm not talking about traffic levels or saving full-time jobs just as a front-line measure.
How long do you think under the new performance standards you will get to prep D2D?
How long do you get now?
How much difference do you think D2D into workload makes to an 85% callrate?

[robinhood]

the good thing to come out of this part of the deal re d2d, is now it will be reckonised has being in our workload. prep time will have to be accounted for, ie not coming in early b4 your start time to prep them up.
you can now argue that your call rate as increased and your walk has increased in delivery time.

Wha do you think at OPG level D2D into workload actually means?
i'm not talking about traffic levels or saving full-time jobs just as a front-line measure.
How long do you think under the new performance standards you will get to prep D2D?
How long do you get now?
How much difference do you think D2D into workload makes to an 85% callrate?

yes thats the fudamental question, has you know the slightest change to any work load always as a major impact on the front line postie.
it is important as a union to up our game and be ready if its a yes vote.
end of the day the postie will have a lot of power/say to any changes, but the local reps must be involved.
it is going to take longer to prep your items and it is going to increase your delivery span, so initially i can see overtime oppotunities.
the BSI standards for prep are considered already un workable.
if you go from 85% call rate to 100% your duty span is going to increase, especiallly if we attract mor d2ds.
we will then have to look at delivery equopment ie trolleys which make your delivery slower.
so again its a case of the devil is in the details

[fishtank]

Wha do you think at OPG level D2D into workload actually means?
i'm not talking about traffic levels or saving full-time jobs just as a front-line measure.
How long do you think under the new performance standards you will get to prep D2D?
How long do you get now?
How much difference do you think D2D into workload makes to an 85% callrate?

yes thats the fudamental question, has you know the slightest change to any work load always as a major impact on the front line postie.
it is important as a union to up our game and be ready if its a yes vote.
end of the day the postie will have a lot of power/say to any changes, but the local reps must be involved.
it is going to take longer to prep your items and it is going to increase your delivery span, so initially i can see overtime oppotunities.
the BSI standards for prep are considered already un workable.
if you go from 85% call rate to 100% your duty span is going to increase, especiallly if we attract mor d2ds.
we will then have to look at delivery equopment ie trolleys which make your delivery slower.
so again its a case of the devil is in the details

I appreciate your optimism rh but i fear the implementation may be a little different.
At the moment i can take as long as i need to prep my 20% D2D as there is no agreed standard prep rate.
In future however if the standards say i get 15mins and i don't complete them it will be a performance issue and i could be conduct coded.
This pressure,i fear coupled with an increase of D2D will simply see more and more people prepping them in their own time.
The difference on a 500 call duty with an 85% call rate having D2D into workload is 2.6% so your new call rate would be 87.6%
Not very impressive really and how will your initial call rate be determined,well i've already witnessed managers counting gaps in frames and that is without union participation.