Billy and David, you need to take note of your members, you should be communicating to us, are you aware of that there could be unoffical walks outs around the country, what does that tell you guys, it tell me you made a cock up yesterday, instead of communicating with the media, you should be talking to us a lot more, my advice, you need get your act together
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Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
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kwf166
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Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
I was just wondering if Billy Hayes and David Ward are aware of us, because if they are, than why are they bloody ignoring us
infact why are they ignoring 120,000 of it members, why are all of us members the last to know,we voted YES for a national strike, we didn't vote for a calming period, we didn't give up 2 day WAGES so they can sit on their arses and sort this out after christmas, I can understand why a lot of members want to leave CWU, because lets face it we have been treated like dirt
Billy and David, you need to take note of your members, you should be communicating to us, are you aware of that there could be unoffical walks outs around the country, what does that tell you guys, it tell me you made a cock up yesterday, instead of communicating with the media, you should be talking to us a lot more, my advice, you need get your act together
Billy and David, you need to take note of your members, you should be communicating to us, are you aware of that there could be unoffical walks outs around the country, what does that tell you guys, it tell me you made a cock up yesterday, instead of communicating with the media, you should be talking to us a lot more, my advice, you need get your act together
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
Here, here
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thehappyones
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
lISTEN GUYS HAVE YOU READ THE AGREEMENT........the ballot is still live,yes its a period of calm but the onus is on RM to adhere to this or if not then we can still walk
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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postie75
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
NOT MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IT`S NOT NOON YETthehappyones wrote:lISTEN GUYS HAVE YOU READ THE AGREEMENT........the ballot is still live,yes its a period of calm but the onus is on RM to adhere to this or if not then we can still walk
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thehappyones
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
LISTEN MICHAEL ...RM will be monitored for 2 wks the ball is firmly in their court we can still strike at anytime they all will be talking 4 days aweek to reach an agreement so chill-out MOFO
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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thehappyones
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
There is no doubt that this is the worse period in any dispute. This period is when indivuduals dont know whats in the agreement and when people naturally think they have been stitched up.
People jumped to conclusions at Brendan Barbers statement about no strikes before christmas and clearly people think they have been betrayed.
However what Barber actually said was that the delivery of both parties of this agreement will lead to a strike free christmas period.
The words of the agreement on 1.6 allows the union to still take strike action if we do not feel they are abiding by the terms of the agreement. The National ballot and all local ballots are still live.
1.6 states : The operation of this agreement , the progress of negotiations , and the initial monitoring of the implementation of this agreement will be fromally reviewed by both parties and the norminated independent person during the WC 16th November, and fortnightly thereafter. In the reviews the success of this agreement will be tested against genuine progress on all key principles set out in paragraph 4 and achievement of agreements to resolve the local disputes.
The intention of both parties is to make significant progress by early December with the aim of concluding a final agreement by the end of 2009. Diaries will be cleared to ensure four days a week will be scheduled for work on concluding this agreement. The delivery by both partiesof the terms of this agreement will ensure that there will be no industrial action in the run up to and during the christmas period.
The simple fact is if Royal Mail are not adhereing to the agreement then we will call further strikes we will know that within two weeks.
I realise that people get wound up when they dont know the detail of whats been agreed but be in no doubt what has been agreed is the best we can achieve at this moment the test at both local and national level is that Royal Mail will keep to what it has agreed. We will know within first couple of meetings in London whether they are playing the game if not then we will once again notify of stike action.
For the first time every PEC member voted for this agreement that should tell you something.
I do despair sometimes at the negativity of some of the posts especially as you have not even seen the agreement. I think it puts down the scafice of our members who in some areas have lost 18 days pay.
This agreement was always going to be a framework for further talks but it does allow local talks on impostion and achieves a number of other important things. The reason why we have not done a deal on the bigger issues is that there are very complex issues and the committment to meet 4 days per week should tell you that we think we need a further 28 days of talks to achieve all those issues.Best will in the world we cannot negotate the bigger issues when strike action is taking place.
There is no doubt that Higson was the one who was more worried about the agreement and personally I think he wont last long in his postion. I still believe that the Hawks like Tolhurst, Cameron in Royal Mail will try and pull back some ground by not adhering to parts of this agreement but now is the time to test this by getting in both Locally and nationally to see if they abide by what they have agreed.
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People jumped to conclusions at Brendan Barbers statement about no strikes before christmas and clearly people think they have been betrayed.
However what Barber actually said was that the delivery of both parties of this agreement will lead to a strike free christmas period.
The words of the agreement on 1.6 allows the union to still take strike action if we do not feel they are abiding by the terms of the agreement. The National ballot and all local ballots are still live.
1.6 states : The operation of this agreement , the progress of negotiations , and the initial monitoring of the implementation of this agreement will be fromally reviewed by both parties and the norminated independent person during the WC 16th November, and fortnightly thereafter. In the reviews the success of this agreement will be tested against genuine progress on all key principles set out in paragraph 4 and achievement of agreements to resolve the local disputes.
The intention of both parties is to make significant progress by early December with the aim of concluding a final agreement by the end of 2009. Diaries will be cleared to ensure four days a week will be scheduled for work on concluding this agreement. The delivery by both partiesof the terms of this agreement will ensure that there will be no industrial action in the run up to and during the christmas period.
The simple fact is if Royal Mail are not adhereing to the agreement then we will call further strikes we will know that within two weeks.
I realise that people get wound up when they dont know the detail of whats been agreed but be in no doubt what has been agreed is the best we can achieve at this moment the test at both local and national level is that Royal Mail will keep to what it has agreed. We will know within first couple of meetings in London whether they are playing the game if not then we will once again notify of stike action.
For the first time every PEC member voted for this agreement that should tell you something.
I do despair sometimes at the negativity of some of the posts especially as you have not even seen the agreement. I think it puts down the scafice of our members who in some areas have lost 18 days pay.
This agreement was always going to be a framework for further talks but it does allow local talks on impostion and achieves a number of other important things. The reason why we have not done a deal on the bigger issues is that there are very complex issues and the committment to meet 4 days per week should tell you that we think we need a further 28 days of talks to achieve all those issues.Best will in the world we cannot negotate the bigger issues when strike action is taking place.
There is no doubt that Higson was the one who was more worried about the agreement and personally I think he wont last long in his postion. I still believe that the Hawks like Tolhurst, Cameron in Royal Mail will try and pull back some ground by not adhering to parts of this agreement but now is the time to test this by getting in both Locally and nationally to see if they abide by what they have agreed.
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The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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music4essex
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
Good Post
very articulate, wish I could write like that,
Obviously I was upset about having to go in, but will just have to wait and see, though having watched higson he seemed a bit smug for my liking and especially saying about the pensions, and it is the fault of the union that it never got thru parliment , it was like spitting your dummy out of the pram , shortsightedness on RM part I think as they got themselves into the pension mess, and when i eventually retire can thank them for it, if I and RM last another 10-15yrs lol
Essex mum
Obviously I was upset about having to go in, but will just have to wait and see, though having watched higson he seemed a bit smug for my liking and especially saying about the pensions, and it is the fault of the union that it never got thru parliment , it was like spitting your dummy out of the pram , shortsightedness on RM part I think as they got themselves into the pension mess, and when i eventually retire can thank them for it, if I and RM last another 10-15yrs lol
Essex mum
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grendel
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
Of course they'll adhere to the agreement until Christmas is out of the way and then they'll just bypass the union again.thehappyones wrote:There is no doubt that this is the worse period in any dispute. This period is when indivuduals dont know whats in the agreement and when people naturally think they have been stitched up.
People jumped to conclusions at Brendan Barbers statement about no strikes before christmas and clearly people think they have been betrayed.
However what Barber actually said was that the delivery of both parties of this agreement will lead to a strike free christmas period.
The words of the agreement on 1.6 allows the union to still take strike action if we do not feel they are abiding by the terms of the agreement. The National ballot and all local ballots are still live.
1.6 states : The operation of this agreement , the progress of negotiations , and the initial monitoring of the implementation of this agreement will be fromally reviewed by both parties and the norminated independent person during the WC 16th November, and fortnightly thereafter. In the reviews the success of this agreement will be tested against genuine progress on all key principles set out in paragraph 4 and achievement of agreements to resolve the local disputes.
The intention of both parties is to make significant progress by early December with the aim of concluding a final agreement by the end of 2009. Diaries will be cleared to ensure four days a week will be scheduled for work on concluding this agreement. The delivery by both partiesof the terms of this agreement will ensure that there will be no industrial action in the run up to and during the christmas period.
The simple fact is if Royal Mail are not adhereing to the agreement then we will call further strikes we will know that within two weeks.
I realise that people get wound up when they dont know the detail of whats been agreed but be in no doubt what has been agreed is the best we can achieve at this moment the test at both local and national level is that Royal Mail will keep to what it has agreed. We will know within first couple of meetings in London whether they are playing the game if not then we will once again notify of stike action.
For the first time every PEC member voted for this agreement that should tell you something.
I do despair sometimes at the negativity of some of the posts especially as you have not even seen the agreement. I think it puts down the scafice of our members who in some areas have lost 18 days pay.
This agreement was always going to be a framework for further talks but it does allow local talks on impostion and achieves a number of other important things. The reason why we have not done a deal on the bigger issues is that there are very complex issues and the committment to meet 4 days per week should tell you that we think we need a further 28 days of talks to achieve all those issues.Best will in the world we cannot negotate the bigger issues when strike action is taking place.
There is no doubt that Higson was the one who was more worried about the agreement and personally I think he wont last long in his postion. I still believe that the Hawks like Tolhurst, Cameron in Royal Mail will try and pull back some ground by not adhering to parts of this agreement but now is the time to test this by getting in both Locally and nationally to see if they abide by what they have agreed.
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bogstandard
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
How motivated do you think the members will be to start all over again
methinks... not very!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
methinks... not very!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SeriousSam
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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
here is an artistic rendition of Billy Hayes whilst negotiating for us in our time of striking


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Re: Billy and Dave are you aware of us?
Think it would be a good idea for you to wind your neck in. Nothing remotely clever or helpful about that.="SeriousSam"]here is an artistic rendition of Billy Hayes whilst negotiating for us in our time of striking
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SeriousSam
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im sorry if i accidently offended you, i was just poking fun at the whole palavour and the fact that our union rep sold us out like hitler sold out the jewsTman wrote:Think it would be a good idea for you to wind your neck in. Nothing remotely clever or helpful about that.="SeriousSam"]here is an artistic rendition of Billy Hayes whilst negotiating for us in our time of striking
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