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LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

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LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

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https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-001-25-roya ... -in-wales/

LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales
No.001/25

2nd January 2025

Dear Colleague

Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

Further to LTB 343/24 dated 25th October. The Postal Executive has given serious and careful consideration to these matters over the last few weeks and has now endorsed three documents which included the following agreements:
  • Colleague Guide: Support and Rehabilitation Service
  • Agreed Terms of Reference for the For-Cause Drugs and Alcohol Pilot for Royal Mail Drivers in Wales
  • Colleague Framework: For-Cause Testing Pilot Approach (containing 34 agreed Q&As, designed to ensure that where For-Cause testing takes place during the Pilot, it is done in a consistent and empathetic way)
The For-Cause Pilot will commence on Monday 13th January 2025 for eight weeks and will be applicable to Drivers only, in Wales (excluding Parcelforce). We have built into the ToR joint weekly checkpoints with management and a mid-pilot joint review on Monday 17th February.

Royal Mail Group would ultimately like to roll out Drugs & Alcohol For-Cause testing across all grades in the UK. In these circumstances the Postal Executive felt that a Pilot was the best way to deal with these matters, supported by an agreed Terms of Reference with proper safeguards.

Crucially, for the Pilot, there will be no discipline arising from positive tests, providing members in these circumstances agree to participate in the new Support and Rehabilitation programme. In essence, this means that any member who fails a drugs or alcohol test during the Pilot and who takes up the offer of the Support and Rehabilitation service will not be taken down the Conduct route. There are two caveats to this – a positive drug/alcohol test on the roadside following an accident/incident where the police are involved, or an individual being found in the possession of illegal drugs in the workplace.

We are sure Branches will recognise the above was a key safeguard for the union to secure, to enable the Pilot to take place with our co-operation. It should also be noted that we have a Postal Executive policy surrounding our opposition to Random Testing for drugs & alcohol and we have informed Royal Mail management of this position.

We recognise the Pilot will be an extremely complex activity and we therefore felt it was appropriate to have a Postal Executive member overseeing the Pilot and to be the liaison point for Branches and Representatives. Rob Wotherspoon has agreed to undertake this commitment. Also, there will be a dedicated go-to Divisional Rep who will assist and support Reps. Ralph Ferret (South Wales) and Paul Dugdale (North Wales) will undertake these roles and will work in conjunction with Rob Wotherspoon.

Briefing of Representatives in Wales

There will be a briefing of our Branch Secretaries and Area Representatives in Wales, including Areas Safety Representatives on Wednesday 8th January, during which we will run through the full details of the Terms of Reference for the Pilot and the protections and safeguards we have secured for our members in both the ToR and the Colleague Framework document. Obviously, there will be an opportunity for a Q&A session at the Briefing.

Finally, without wishing to prejudge the success or otherwise of the Pilot. If Royal Mail seeks to roll out For-Cause testing on a National basis (for Drivers-only), we would naturally aim to secure a suitable National Agreement with appropriate safeguards for our members and this would be placed before the Postal Executive for consideration.

The Postal Executive will be closely monitoring the Pilot and all Branches will be kept informed of any key developments as the Pilot progresses.

Yours sincerely,

Martin Walsh

Deputy General Secretary (P)

Andy Furey

Assistant Secretary

Davie Robertson

Assistant Secretary

Bobby Weatherall

Acting Assistant Secretary

Tony Bouch

Assistant Secretary





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Re: LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

Post by Tman »

When this subject came up a couple of months ago there were some keyboard warriors who insisted they weren't going to be tested/it was illegal/blah blah blah.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in reality, especially now the CWU have basically agreed that the principle is correct.
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It's going to be a case of you cant relax after work hours


yet quite alot of the reason why so many posties drink is because of the management and workload.... but as per usual thats ignored by both RM and CWU.....

skipping over the finer details and making assumptions.....

Wonder what would happen if you said you drink cos of the workload....?
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Re: LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

Post by scotchy1962 »

Tman wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 16:26
When this subject came up a couple of months ago there were some keyboard warriors who insisted they weren't going to be tested/it was illegal/blah blah blah.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in reality, especially now the CWU have basically agreed that the principle is correct.
It's very difficult to put up a fight against this seeing as how it's a crime to drive while under the influence.
The only fight i would put up is that the vans we drive at the moment are in such bad condition that perhaps while trying to fix one problem maybe fix both problems, they both are illegal, certainly a lot of the vans are very dodgy, especially a workshop reserve van being the worst, and while making sure we are fit to drive how about making sure what we drive is up to standard too.
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May I ask why Royal Mail, or in this case, Abbot, have such a low threshold/cut off for cannabis levels compared to the roadside testing kit the Police use? The Police use the drugwipe which is 5 ng/ml of saliva whereas in the literature above Royal Mail say their cut off is 0.5 ng/ml of saliva. This is ten times lower than the Police! Sounds quite unfair or am I missing something?
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Post by Valentina@1 »

So testing is for drivers only?
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Valentina@1 wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 19:33
So testing is for drivers only?
No.
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yellowbelly wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 20:05
Valentina@1 wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 19:33
So testing is for drivers only?
No.
Yes it is.
That’s what the pilot says.
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Post by Pidleypoo »

Tman wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 16:26
When this subject came up a couple of months ago there were some keyboard warriors who insisted they weren't going to be tested/it was illegal/blah blah blah.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in reality, especially now the CWU have basically agreed that the principle is correct.
I think you’ll find that the issue were what type of testing and which company they’d use.

A breathalyser and swab isn’t an issue for me. Other types of testing absolutely would’ve been an issue for me.
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yellowbelly wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 20:05
Valentina@1 wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 19:33
So testing is for drivers only?
No.
Clearly says drivers..
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Safety critical working is the norm in many industries. The big difference here is that whilst a train driver in a safety critical job earns anywhere above 35 grand on a full time contract, the CWU has agreed safety critical working for workers earning barely above the minimum wage. Where workers engage in such a rigorous regime their cooperation should be rewarded just like in other industries.
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Doesn't it hurt you so much if a minimum-waged driver runs you over then, or are you saying the importance of employee safety is on a sliding scale with the lowest paid at the bottom?
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Re: LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

Post by scotchy1962 »

Tman wrote:
07 Jan 2025, 16:12
Doesn't it hurt you so much if a minimum-waged driver runs you over then, or are you saying the importance of employee safety is on a sliding scale with the lowest paid at the bottom?
Hahaha, love it, sometimes these left wing loonies don't even realise what they have said even after its come out of their mouths. :crazy:
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Re: LTB 001/25 – Royal Mail: Drugs & Alcohol Support & Rehabilitation Services and For-Cause Testing Pilot for Drivers in Wales

Post by yellowbelly »

Sean06 wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 22:52
yellowbelly wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 20:05
Valentina@1 wrote:
06 Jan 2025, 19:33
So testing is for drivers only?
No.
Clearly says drivers..
Stand corrected, it clearly does! :d'oh! Didn't spot that at the top of the LTB!

Wonder if it will come in for all though.