Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

[ted_e_bear]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

That has been my main argument against the pilots: that they are starting from a point of failure.

Too right, remember that original idea of making the duties smaller so that it was possible to cope with multiple days worth of mail increasing the call rate to something like 85-90% iirc, sounded like a plan but alas didn't happen.

[tramssirhc]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

what you describe is ODM. The threats from the CWU that the industry will scrap even more jobs if we don't tow it's line beggars belief. Them 7 billion letters aren't going to magically stop. Can you imagine trying to do it all in even less days?

[Barnacle]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

That has been my main argument against the pilots: that they are starting from a point of failure.

Too right, remember that original idea of making the duties smaller so that it was possible to cope with multiple days worth of mail increasing the call rate to something like 85-90% iirc, sounded like a plan but alas didn't happen.

That idea died a death. So the local rep will have said we need several walk putting back in, middle managers will have reduced that number to near zero, pilot starts, is carnage.

Perfect example is Newton Mearns. The first office to start the pilot. Singleton duties, only 12 walks. They have struggled from the off and have had to have walks added in and in the CWU Live on Thursday MW mentioned Newton Mearns and said another walk was going back in.

It is a TINY OFFICE. If it doesn’t work there what does that tell anyone with sense?

[tramssirhc]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

Martin Walsh said 'everything has to be right' before his experiment went live. That's his words, not mine. In what universe was the money going to be found to put everything right? The faults have been there for decades. How would any budget pay for it? So Martin lied. Everything wasn't right and he's on record last Thursday admitting the CWU didn't get everything right and still went ahead with the experiment.

The CWU admitted there were thousands of duties that simply didn't exist. Ward and Walsh are the first to plead poverty so why would they even claim everything had to be right knowing full well that was a cost to an industry they say is broke.

[Barnacle]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

Martin Walsh said 'everything has to be right' before his experiment went live. That's his words, not mine. In what universe was the money going to be found to put everything right? The faults have been there for decades. How would any budget pay for it? So Martin lied. Everything wasn't right and he's on record last Thursday admitting the CWU didn't get everything right and still went ahead with the experiment.

The CWU admitted there were thousands of duties that simply didn't exist. Ward and Walsh are the first to plead poverty so why would they even claim everything had to be right knowing full well that was a cost to an industry they say is broke.

What do you mean by ‘thousands of duties that simply don’t exist’?

[tramssirhc]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

Martin Walsh said 'everything has to be right' before his experiment went live. That's his words, not mine. In what universe was the money going to be found to put everything right? The faults have been there for decades. How would any budget pay for it? So Martin lied. Everything wasn't right and he's on record last Thursday admitting the CWU didn't get everything right and still went ahead with the experiment.

The CWU admitted there were thousands of duties that simply didn't exist. Ward and Walsh are the first to plead poverty so why would they even claim everything had to be right knowing full well that was a cost to an industry they say is broke.

What do you mean by ‘thousands of duties that simply don’t exist’?

They are duties that aren't accounted for. 1000 new homes don't get delivered by magic. If the process isn't followed then those 1000 new doors will be there but not in the system. The CWU calls them route now. Its duties, walks and duty holders. I've yet to read a 'route' log.

[Barnacle]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

Martin Walsh said 'everything has to be right' before his experiment went live. That's his words, not mine. In what universe was the money going to be found to put everything right? The faults have been there for decades. How would any budget pay for it? So Martin lied. Everything wasn't right and he's on record last Thursday admitting the CWU didn't get everything right and still went ahead with the experiment.

The CWU admitted there were thousands of duties that simply didn't exist. Ward and Walsh are the first to plead poverty so why would they even claim everything had to be right knowing full well that was a cost to an industry they say is broke.

What do you mean by ‘thousands of duties that simply don’t exist’?

They are duties that aren't accounted for. 1000 new homes don't get delivered by magic. If the process isn't followed then those 1000 new doors will be there but not in the system. The CWU calls them route now. Its duties, walks and duty holders. I've yet to read a 'route' log.

Oh got you. Yes we have those ghost duties. It is these ghost duties amongst everything else, that are making all their calculations wrong.

The DDS system (if that is the correct acronym), is guarded as if it is the last unicorn.

[tramssirhc]

A perfect example being current workloads on delivery being too damned big.

You cannnot complete with daily contracted hours. That is why the average is two deliveries a week.

This one issue has been ongoing for years and one of the biggest cause of complaint that is constantly ignored by the CWU.

Martin Walsh said 'everything has to be right' before his experiment went live. That's his words, not mine. In what universe was the money going to be found to put everything right? The faults have been there for decades. How would any budget pay for it? So Martin lied. Everything wasn't right and he's on record last Thursday admitting the CWU didn't get everything right and still went ahead with the experiment.

The CWU admitted there were thousands of duties that simply didn't exist. Ward and Walsh are the first to plead poverty so why would they even claim everything had to be right knowing full well that was a cost to an industry they say is broke.

What do you mean by ‘thousands of duties that simply don’t exist’?

They are duties that aren't accounted for. 1000 new homes don't get delivered by magic. If the process isn't followed then those 1000 new doors will be there but not in the system. The CWU calls them route now. Its duties, walks and duty holders. I've yet to read a 'route' log.

Oh got you. Yes we have those ghost duties. It is these ghost duties amongst everything else, that are making all their calculations wrong.

The DDS system (if that is the correct acronym), is guarded as if it is the last unicorn.

In fairness the problems are decades old. The CWU had ample opportunity to put things right during that time. However a system is only as good as the information put into it. ODM is the future. Just like all the other major changes it won't remedy the problems. The CWU will fade into the background, the rep will ignore the complaints and we will just carry on like we have for at least the last 30 years. We can't even hope we get a half decent duty because it's 3 of us doing 4 duties.

[Patmanposts]

I urge every single postie to hold Royal mail and the CWU to account in their joint statement agreement, ESPECIALLY point 2. which is as follows….

Royal mail and the CWU agreed four overarching principles on which we will review whether the USO pilots are a success.

1. That it achieves a 90% quality of service target for first class letters, any commercial targets and Ofcom’s targets.

2. That workload is fair, manageable and achievable and there are opportunities to reduce fatigue.

3. That there are opportunities to improve attendance patters with more Saturdays off.

4. It must improve morale and confidence in the work place.

I will not stop banging the drums on point 2 until action is taken.

[Barnacle]

I urge every single postie to hold Royal mail and the CWU to account in their joint statement agreement, ESPECIALLY point 2. which is as follows….

Royal mail and the CWU agreed four overarching principles on which we will review whether the USO pilots are a success.

1. That it achieves a 90% quality of service target for first class letters, any commercial targets and Ofcom’s targets.

2. That workload is fair, manageable and achievable and there are opportunities to reduce fatigue.

3. That there are opportunities to improve attendance patters with more Saturdays off.

4. It must improve morale and confidence in the work place.

I will not stop banging the drums on point 2 until action is taken.

Absolutely.

Also MW said that they hadn’t agreed to the job losses. The whole thing is about job losses. That’s how they plan to save money.

[Hyrrokkin]

As mentioned previously

Royal Mail are now removing CSS machines and the USO changes have still to be agreed by parliament.
Royal Mail will implement these changes no matter what the CWU states through executive action and there is nothing they can do about that.

From where - all Mail Centres ?

How many in total ?

[Sean06]

All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.

Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).

Because CWU chucked at folk £1000 last time, plus folk like you hammering folk on every post saying folk would be out of a job if it doesnt come in,

Have never said about anyone losing their job.last agreement not to be voted in was way forward in 2000 only to be voted in in 2nd ballot.

[Sean06]

As mentioned previously

Royal Mail are now removing CSS machines and the USO changes have still to be agreed by parliament.
Royal Mail will implement these changes no matter what the CWU states through executive action and there is nothing they can do about that.

From where - all Mail Centres ?

How many in total ?

Just had another 2 installed in our mc.

[HarrySutton111]

All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.

Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).

Because CWU chucked at folk £1000 last time, plus folk like you hammering folk on every post saying folk would be out of a job if it doesnt come in,

Have never said about anyone losing their job.last agreement not to be voted in was way forward in 2000 only to be voted in in 2nd ballot.

When I said folk like you, I meant folk who think the cwu do no wrong

[Sean06]

All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.

Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).

Because CWU chucked at folk £1000 last time, plus folk like you hammering folk on every post saying folk would be out of a job if it doesnt come in,

Have never said about anyone losing their job.last agreement not to be voted in was way forward in 2000 only to be voted in in 2nd ballot.

When I said folk like you, I meant folk who think the cwu do no wrong

They do plenty wrong but rather have them on my side than pwrfc.