worrying numbers looking to work on strike day

[cloherty1976]

The 'grow a pair' brigade seemed to continually miss the point that some are going in because they want to and are happy with the agreement - not just because of the 'money'

The more people keep going on about people growing a pair and £300 bribe and the rest, the more they any really chance of changing the mind of those going in. Show some respect for other people's opinions and convictions. Tx

Just a few days ago, some Grangemouth workers were ready to call their fellow workers strike breakers and probably ostracise them. But the people that agreed to the survival plan have now been proved right and those that were eager for a strike did not even get a chance to strike - all they have now done is grovel for their jobs and took more cr*p (warts and all) from the employer and the employer has even more money coming from the government.

So who had really had a pair: the goats or sheep that simply followed the Union and the emotional claptrap that comes with bands of brothers and all that...

You have such a wonderful way of writing chrisj.

[gluteus maximus]

I am sitting on the fence from the outside, but i will respond

Do you not think those who disagree with industrial action should support the majority who support the action.

The terms and conditions as i see it have been built up over decades and people are willing to "wipe clean" past sacrifices for £300

I wonder how long many of these people who are against this industrial action have been employed by the
business. Put that against people for most of their working lives. It is my understanding a lot of employees now within Royal Mail are on fixed term contracts, and are more interested on having these contracts renewed than the well being of either the business, or fellow employees

[cloherty1976]

I am sitting on the fence from the outside, but i will respond

Do you not think those who disagree with industrial action should support the majority who support the action.

The terms and conditions as i see it have been built up over decades and people are willing to "wipe clean" past sacrifices for £300

I wonder how long many of these people who are against this industrial action have been in the business. Put that against people for most of their working lives. It is my understanding a lot of employees now within Royal Mail are on fixed term contracts, and are more interested on having these contracts renewed than the well being of either the business, or fellow employees

Sometimes in life you have to look forwards. Maybe we could have non union members except a deal and union members fight for better t&c. Then we could actually talk about facts rather than ifs and buts...

[chrisj]

You are still talking about money and the £300... Did you not fully read what I have just written?

Some people voted No even before the £300 bribe and a whole lot of people are now beginning to think that the agreement we have is not that bad; at least no that bad enough to have some sort of war with RM. A dispute and talks is all well but then sensibility and reality should ensue. No silly brinkmanship - please!

And you are wrong about the contract types. In fact, RM says they will continue to try to maintain a 75/35 FT/PT ratio; I do not think that will last for too long but the current terms and conditions for those already on a contract will not change for at least 3 years.

Read my lips - it is not just about the Money!

It is those that voted Yes before the £300 bribe that are wavering and some simply voted Yes to strengthen the Union's hand not necessarily for a Strike...

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I am sitting on the fence from the outside, but i will respond

Do you not think those who disagree with industrial action should support the majority who support the action.

The terms and conditions as i see it have been built up over decades and people are willing to "wipe clean" past sacrifices for £300

I wonder how long many of these people who are against this industrial action have been in the business. Put that against people for most of their working lives. It is my understanding a lot of employees now within Royal Mail are on fixed term contracts, and are more interested on having these contracts renewed than the well being of either the business, or fellow employees

Sometimes in life you have to look forwards. Maybe we could have non union members except a deal and union members fight for better t&c. Then we could actually talk about facts rather than ifs and buts...

No ifs No Buts
No to any "No strike Clause"

IF they get the B&H culture sorted, IF they get the workload balance sorted, IF they really do engage with members and listen to their concerns and opinions, IF they also have an Ironclad legal guarantee that they won't impose any Executive Action then I might accept a NO Strike Deal, but there is no way I am accepting any deal that hamstrings the employees by removing the only option they have when Managers go rogue, like many have over the last 4 years.

The Pay deal by itself is excellent given the current economy, and if it was offered in isolation I would probably have accepted it. Its the chains attached in the guise of a Industrial Stability agreement thats the biggest killer to the deal, and I cannot understand why anyone in RM would think its acceptable given the current managerial culture.

[cloherty1976]

I am sitting on the fence from the outside, but i will respond

Do you not think those who disagree with industrial action should support the majority who support the action.

The terms and conditions as i see it have been built up over decades and people are willing to "wipe clean" past sacrifices for £300

I wonder how long many of these people who are against this industrial action have been in the business. Put that against people for most of their working lives. It is my understanding a lot of employees now within Royal Mail are on fixed term contracts, and are more interested on having these contracts renewed than the well being of either the business, or fellow employees

Sometimes in life you have to look forwards. Maybe we could have non union members except a deal and union members fight for better t&c. Then we could actually talk about facts rather than ifs and buts...

No ifs No Buts
No to any "No strike Clause"

IF they get the B&H culture sorted, IF they get the workload balance sorted, IF they really do engage with members and listen to their concerns and opinions, IF they also have an Ironclad legal guarantee that they won't impose any Executive Action then I might accept a NO Strike Deal, but there is no way I am accepting any deal that hamstrings the employees by removing the only option they have when Managers go rogue, like many have over the last 4 years.

The Pay deal by itself is excellent given the current economy, and if it was offered in isolation I would probably have accepted it. Its the chains attached in the guise of a Industrial Stability agreement thats the biggest killer to the deal, and I cannot understand why anyone in RM would think its acceptable given the current managerial culture.

Which ones you going to give up as it's called negotiations. Sounds good though but what are the workforce giving back for these issues?

[fishtank]

The 'grow a pair' brigade seemed to continually miss the point that some are going in because they want to and are happy with the agreement'

What agreement?
There is no agreement just like there is no £300 so you're not going in because you're happy with anything,you're going in because you don't have the moral courage to put aside your own interests for one day and stand beside your colleagues.

You are living in a fantasy world if you think you'll have any real support beside you,I've been through many periods of both local and national industrial action and every single time plays out the same,loads of members,pissed off with the union say they aren't going on strike and then when the day comes it's a different story because basically most people aren't stupid,they know that the union despite its faults is trying to get the most for its members and the members know that the best way to achieve that is by standing together.

When the 4th comes I hope you have the courage to walk across your own picket line and don't try to hide from your actions but I can guarantee it will be a far lonelier walk than you imagine it will.

You will look around for your "mates" who all agreed with you that they would be going to work and you will find very few friendly faces chris so think very hard about what your next move might be,these decisions are sometimes too quickly made but a long time remembered.

[gluteus maximus]

I think the point being made is that if this pay deal is accepted cart Blanche with the added industrial stability clause. Royal Mail can bring in the changes by Executive Action and that there will be no recourse available to either the employees, or the CWU.

You mention negotiations, what negotiations if the business can just make the changes unilateral with no consultation

In any democratic society, you respect the view of the majority in any legal ballot/motion, even if you objected to it at the discussion stage

[fishtank]

the word from a lot of mail centres is they will be going in.

That's bollocks cloherty and you know it.
Mailcentres are usually the most solidly supported units because a lot of branches are based in them.
If you're going to spout that sort of crap I want to see some evidence otherwise stop spreading malicious rumours..

[cloherty1976]

The 'grow a pair' brigade seemed to continually miss the point that some are going in because they want to and are happy with the agreement'

What agreement?
There is no agreement just like there is no £300 so you're not going in because you're happy with anything,you're going in because you don't have the moral courage to put aside your own interests for one day and stand beside your colleagues.

You are living in a fantasy world if you think you'll have any real support beside you,I've been through many periods of both local and national industrial action and every single time plays out the same,loads of members,pissed off with the union say they aren't going on strike and then when the day comes it's a different story because basically most people aren't stupid,they know that the union despite its faults is trying to get the most for its members and the members know that the best way to achieve that is by standing together.

When the 4th comes I hope you have the courage to walk across your own picket line and don't try to hide from your actions but I can guarantee it will be a far lonelier walk than you imagine it will.

You will look around for your "mates" who all agreed with you that they would be going to work and you will find very few friendly faces chris so think very hard about what your next move might be,these decisions are sometimes too quickly made but a long time remembered.

I understand where your coming from, but I expect more people in the mail centre to be in work than the 6 standing on the picket line. Sorry 7 as you have the manager there too..

[cloherty1976]

the word from a lot of mail centres is they will be going in.

That's bollocks cloherty and you know it.
Mailcentres are usually the most solidly supported units because a lot of branches are based in them.
If you're going to spout that sort of crap I want to see some evidence otherwise stop spreading malicious rumours..

Sorry don't you remember the last strike it's fact.

[fishtank]

Sorry don't you remember the last strike it's fact.

Evidence cloherty?

[gluteus maximus]

What makes you think there will be only six people on the picket line cloherty???

[banner18]

Can someone tell me the difference between now and last year? Last year there was B + H, executive action, chaoitic lapsing and nothing was done. Why no strike ballot last year? How will a strike change these things when they are built into the system at the core?

[Red Robbo]

I've noticed a bit of whispering going on with the Lino in our office recently, I suspect some are already arranging lifts in the back of blacked out mail vans to cross the picket line.