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Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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redlen
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

Post by redlen »

Then explain how primary legislation does not apply instead of words on personal opinion?

Kindly give an objective reference source that is neither the CWU or Royal Mail?

From the Regulator as an example.
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

Post by Barnacle »

It is my understanding that 2c is covered by the USO and is supposed to be delivered within 3 days. So they are failing on all levels.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:02
Then explain how primary legislation does not apply instead of words on personal opinion?

Kindly give an objective reference source that is neither the CWU or Royal Mail?

From the Regulator as an example.
Ok I kindly will

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/post/royal-mai ... al-service

The changes we are assessing could be made through Ofcom's regulations, and would not require Parliament to make any changes to legislation.
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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Could be made?
As in something that is possible?

What you are insinuating is delegated legislation, or a statutory instrument implemented by the secretary of state.
That is the only way the regulator can implement changes to the parent Statutory Act of parliament that would still need consent from the Executive.
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:24
Could be made?
As in something that is possible?

What you are insinuating is delegated legislation, or a statutory instrument implemented by the secretary of state.
That is the only way the regulator can implement changes to the parent Statutory Act of parliament that would still need consent from the Executive.
Ok take it up with OFCOM mate ive provided what you asked
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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The point being made is that Royal Mail are implementing changes without approval from the legislator at considerable expense like it is a done deal without prior legislative approval.

What if the ruling Executive say no to the proposals?
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Post by yellowbelly »

redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:36
The point being made is that Royal Mail are implementing changes without approval from the legislator at considerable expense like it is a done deal without prior legislative approval.

What if the ruling Executive say no to the proposals?
Then EP group will go nuclear and say to OFCOM the USO is not financially sustainable in its current form, then see Parliament/OFCOM/Labour cave in when they think they might have pay for RM to be renationalised......the magic money tree is very bare.
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Look at the recent British Steel bailout by the tax payer.

BY 2027 all rail companies in England will be state owned.

Thames water is another about to collapse now its investors have pulled out of the resue deal.

The government will have no chioce with these former state monopolies being part of the infrastructure.
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The government wouldn’t be able to look the other way if RM was deliberately scuttled by a private owner.

But why on earth would DK do that to a supremely well known brand which is part of the fabric of the UK? If he just wanted a parcel company he would have bought Yodel.
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 09:36
The point being made is that Royal Mail are implementing changes without approval from the legislator at considerable expense like it is a done deal without prior legislative approval.

What if the ruling Executive say no to the proposals?
I’d love to know how much they have thrown at this. Won’t be far off the £300m they wanted to save.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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Barnacle wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 10:32
The government wouldn’t be able to look the other way if RM was deliberately scuttled by a private owner.

But why on earth would DK do that to a supremely well known brand which is part of the fabric of the UK? If he just wanted a parcel company he would have bought Yodel.
It is an open secret all DK wanted out of Royal Mail was GLS.
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

Post by Sean06 »

redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 07:00
All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.
Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

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Sean06 wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 10:42
redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 07:00
All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.
Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).

Only a fraction of registered members vote on any agreement, hardly democratic. Not to mention the usual golden carrot as well.
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

Post by Barnacle »

redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 10:48
Sean06 wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 10:42
redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 07:00
All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.
Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).

Only a fraction of registered members vote on any agreement, hardly democratic. Not to mention the usual golden carrot as well.
That is democracy. If you want to participate in democracy you have to vote. If you don’t use your vote you can’t moan about low turnout and outcomes.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
Sean06
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Re: Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

Post by Sean06 »

redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 10:48
Sean06 wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 10:42
redlen wrote:
08 Jun 2025, 07:00
All the infrastruture changes that the CWU has negotiated over the previous 10 years have been an abysmal failure.

In my own opinion the CWU name is mud on the shop floor after that last sell out agreement as the members received no benefits with the walk out losing out not only financially, but also previous terms and conditions.

New starters on these two tier inferior contracts only last a few days for doing exactly the same work as legacy staff suffering a substantial financial detriment.

Not to mention the walks are unworkable being too big to complete in daily contracted hours. One of the reasons being late getting out due to the lack of staff on the IPS. This is an issue the CWU ignores with just lip service.

It was the CWU that gave Royal Mail the legal means to this executive action by breaching the legal undertakings in the Agenda For Growth Agreement.

Royal Mail employees, including management staff have every right to be bitter.

The CWU needs to start being honest with the staff if it hopes to recruit new members and regain a positive reputation instead of this constant spin and deceit.
Why then do members vote yes for every agreement that is done.honestly do not know many bitter members bar a few on here (an even most of them are not members).

Only a fraction of registered members vote on any agreement, hardly democratic. Not to mention the usual golden carrot as well.
How is it not democratic they have the right to vote they also have the right not too.how many people vote in a general election.