CWU Live at 5pm - Updating You Direct from the National Briefing

[Rumple]

Martin Walsh was elected on his desire to get more Saturdays off and creative shift patterns for the Members. I wish I knew more of what that would cost us at the time of the vote.

[toonshola]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Oh come on this is getting really stupid now. How is a hct non driver supposed to cover the area of 2 deliveries on foot whilst also doing the large parcels for that area? You can “replenish” as much as you like but us in the real world all know these combined routes need to be done by a singleton driver. This optimised delivery model is already an unmanageable mess without adding mental workarounds to try avoid the elephant in the room, non drivers most likely won’t work Saturdays and will do double mail on weekdays until they break. Just admit this and stop patronising the members.

[ted_e_bear]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Oh come on this is getting really stupid now. How is a hct non driver supposed to cover the area of 2 deliveries on foot whilst also doing the large parcels for that area? You can “replenish” as much as you like but us in the real world all know these combined routes need to be done by a singleton driver. This optimised delivery model is already an unmanageable mess without adding mental workarounds to try avoid the elephant in the room, non drivers most likely won’t work Saturdays and will do double mail on weekdays until they break. Just admit this and stop patronising the members.

I might be mistaken but I think/hope combined route just means everything for that one duty rather than covering two which is a f***ing ridiculous suggestion.

[tramssirhc]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Oh come on this is getting really stupid now. How is a hct non driver supposed to cover the area of 2 deliveries on foot whilst also doing the large parcels for that area? You can “replenish” as much as you like but us in the real world all know these combined routes need to be done by a singleton driver. This optimised delivery model is already an unmanageable mess without adding mental workarounds to try avoid the elephant in the room, non drivers most likely won’t work Saturdays and will do double mail on weekdays until they break. Just admit this and stop patronising the members.

I might be mistaken but I think/hope combined route just means everything for that one duty rather than covering two which is a f***ing ridiculous suggestion.

Combined is exactly that -.two duties combined into one. With a HCT.

[tramssirhc]

I'll say it again

If optimization fails because 2 days mail can't be completed in one day, how does the expect us to deliver 6 days mail 3 days?

It's the same thing....

And it’s nonsense.

For Royal Mail to go to a 3 or 4 day uso then they’re dropping their revenue massively.

Customers don’t want it and their margins become even smaller.

It’s this year’s administration scare story and the previous years million pound a day.

The losses they make are in part because they do stupid revision after stupid revision or delivery 2.0 or bench merging and none of them work.

We need a method of working and to stick to it so we regain customer confidence and deliver what we’re meant to do in the time frame we should and that brings more business.

There’s a whole layer of management that cost this company millions per year.

Look. At..that.

It's not hard is it. Completely reset delivery. All the data exists from the trackers. Put right all the errors of the last 15 years. Get the walks right and theres your efficiency. That pays for the operation to carry on as it is. Yearly revisions done properly after that. The claimed reduction in mail can then be aligned to retirements. By the time the mail finally disappears there will be no one left. It's a win win.

[ted_e_bear]

Combined is exactly that -.two duties combined into one. With a HCT.
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I've reread the posts on the subject properly now, combined means the 1c and parcels days for two duties so not quite as ridiculous but still a stupid idea for a HCT.

[tramssirhc]

Combined is exactly that -.two duties combined into one. With a HCT.

I've reread the posts on the subject properly now, combined means the 1c and parcels days for two duties so not quite as ridiculous but still a stupid idea for a HCT.
[/quote]

It's nonsense. HCT duties are singletons and should be left as singletons. It's not a lot of duties and will help to resolved the contract variation issue. There maybe a need to introduce more singleton duties and thats what the CWU should be doing.

[scotchy1962]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Hmmm Martin i find most of this slightly patronising, and saying we all hide behind fake names is a bit of a cheap shot. They hide behind fake names to protect their jobs while airing their views on this company, the same company who would, if they knew who they were, sack them for freely speaking about their experiences within the company and their opinion on said company. Saying you don't hide behind anything is hardly the same i would suggest.
Airing how they feel about you and the union leadership should not be abusive, but they should be allowed to criticise your leadership if they feel you are doing a bad job. They pay their membership and are entitled, better than that you should accept and act on anything that is a legitimate gripe.
Finally Martin i do hope you will continue to interact with the membership, at some point i feel you will both really need each other (Not trying to put down the USO reform i just feel there's bigger on the way) and unless you get everyone on the same hymn sheet i can see problems.

[hans solo]

Where is martin
Run away again
And wtf is dave doing to earn his massive salary

[TopperGas]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Oh come on this is getting really stupid now. How is a hct non driver supposed to cover the area of 2 deliveries on foot whilst also doing the large parcels for that area? You can “replenish” as much as you like but us in the real world all know these combined routes need to be done by a singleton driver. This optimised delivery model is already an unmanageable mess without adding mental workarounds to try avoid the elephant in the room, non drivers most likely won’t work Saturdays and will do double mail on weekdays until they break. Just admit this and stop patronising the members.

I might be mistaken but I think/hope combined route just means everything for that one duty rather than covering two which is a f***ing ridiculous suggestion.

Combined is exactly that -.two duties combined into one. With a HCT.

There's no way two HCT duties can be combined into one duty, as that would mean a postie doing double mail for double duties which would be 50K/60K steps a day. Unless they did just the Tracked/Specials and 1c's but even that would be a massive amount of walking.

[Chelseablue]

Singleton duties and electric trolleys or similar . Its 2025 would make things easier.

[Hyrrokkin]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Lets put some of this right.

Workers with contract variations maybe those who have no contractual obligation to perform driving. These are not non drivers.

You have signed an agreement to allow workers with contractual variations to be questioned about their contractual status. That's not defending members.

When you say works better you actually mean cost effective. A real solution is to create singleton duties for workers with contract variations. You wont do that because it's a cost.

Your belief that combined routes are the solution to fatigue demonstrate just how out of touch you are. You couldn't do a combined route so don't tell us we can. It's a kick in the teeth when you then think a combined HCT route is a credible option.

The reality is that the regulator is not fit for purpose and instead of being its mouthpiece its about time you called for OFCOM to be scrapped.

This is a multi billion pound industry which pays it bosses millions. Dont you dare come in here throwing your weight around and then start telling us our jobs are not financially sustainable.

You were elected by a minority vote and are wholly unaccountable to the membership. Dave was reelected unopposed. The executive have a job for life and you can lie and say it's not like that. It is.

Anyone who stands up and challenges you and the CWU is taking responsibility and is being accountable - to the working class. We should be applauded for making a stand. If the CWU functioned properly you would be facing this head on.

The working class does not need leaders and union bosses. You work for us not the other way around.

Your claim to be the defenders of postal workers is not the reality we experience. The CWU lost hundreds of reps in the last dispute.

The leadership got told the truth of it's actions during the two day jamboree in Manchester.

We will continue debating the actions of the CWU here. Being critical is not the disloyal treacherous behaviour you say it is. If you don't like what happens here, move on, don't get involved.

[worktotime]

There are 83 thousand OPGs who work in Delivery. There are 8400 who do not drive currently from Royal Mail.

No one who does not drive currently will be forced to.

The Optimised Delivery Model which Ofcom are likely to sanction as the USO reform solution works better with more drivers within a unit but CDVs do not require all drivers and nor do HCT routes.

We are also piloting HCTs doing a combined route being replenished.

The aim is to agree that no one will do more than a maximum of 3 core routes per week. We already know in some pilot units that they rotate on a daily basis between a performing a core routes per week and combined.

The reality is that the USO will change in the summer and that is why it is crucial to secure the right agreement.

Remember the choice is not between the current USO which is simply not financially sustainable according to Ofcom. It is the optimised Delivery Model or a 3 or 4 day USO.

It is easy for some on here to criticise and attack and abuse and remain anonymous. You have no responsibility and in fact are not accountable to anyone.

Myself , Dave and others at least have the courage to face up to members and no members , we don’t hide behind fake names and we don’t abuse individuals.

We attempt to lead and we negotiate on behalf of the members.

What’s more we make real differences to the members individually in cases where individuals are sacked or been targeted and collectively.

Martin make that 8401 non drivers as i wont be driving due to a health issue and jumping in and out of a van delivering up to 200 pkts , parcels oh and 1st class letters as , well that wouldnt be good for me and with your plan i am expected to walk even more on delivery , i already walk 15 - 20 miles a day and you think i can do more ,so whats your plans for that ? and my contract was to ride a bike and nothing to do with driving but bikes where taken away because of H&S , and as for the pilots we where told as soon as the first pilot office started that ours would go live in October how did that happen unless this was agreed before the 37 pilots started ?

[hans solo]

Oh they have agreed to everything with their new master
Just dont want to let us in on the outcomes

[worktotime]

Oh they have agreed to everything with their new master
Just dont want to let us in on the outcomes

So true and they think by waving a few quid in posties favour we will all agree and make it work and everything is rosy , , nahh i dont think so as we still have a finish time unless they agree and try and take that off us