Compulsory 'Delivery to Neighbour'?

[celerycelery]

You are spot on. What utter nonsense. May as well say its compulsory after reading that. Where is the time to do this within your contracted hours as I wont ever work over my time?

[lollollol]

So it's compulsory to try and deliver to neighbour under most circumstances... but only one...

Over a period of time I'm going to measure how much time on average I'm attempting to deliver to neighbour... this will then be added to my delivery span for when I inform my DIM I am cutting off...

[steve1873]

Ok, for arguments sake, lets do a very basic look at some figures and try realistically put a time frame for this deliver to neighbour on average.

These are very conservative figures, and the amount of attendance calls can easily be 2 or 3 times what I am calculating, but it will give an idea.

Delivery points on walk 600

Attendance calls, say 1 in 20 to give us 30 attendance calls on an average day. Say half of those are not in - that gives us 15 attendance calls where we have to visit a neighbour. For each neighbour attempt (and I am assuming only 1 neighbour attempt per call) that may take an additional 1 minute to walk out of original recipients property and to the neighbours property. You then need to wait, what an additional minute on the neighbour answering the door and taking receipt of parcel/ signing for it. Then you need to walk that very same 1 minute walk back to the original address to leave a card notifying them where their parcel is. So all in, each deliver to a neighbour attempt is costing an additional ~3 minutes per attendance call. In this example, 45 minutes extra delivery time required to carry out the same work as before. Are we going to see our walks reduced by this amount - but based on real data/ attendance call counts etc?

If not, then forget it. I will be continuing as normal and circling no on the p739 sticker. If asked why no neighbour delivery was attempted I will simply say that I made an on the fly decision/ estimation that in doing so would not allow me to complete my delivery in my scheduled duty time and since I had no desire to work over my time I followed the correct procedure. If this isn't acceptable to my manager, or someone senior to them then I will simply put the ball in their court and hand back most of my attendance calls from then on, or inform them on a daily basis to expect a phonecall when I have around an hour until my finishing time requesting what they would like done with the remainder of my delivery since I will be returning to the office to be signing out on my time... to the minute!

[wannabeek]

I wouldn't consider doing it if it were a whole minute's walk to the nearest neighbour. That must be some long driveways you have there. I reckon realistically it's more like anywhere between 10 to 20 seconds to walk to the neighbour's door, maybe that's just my area tho?

Also, knocking loud enough on the first door cuts down massively on the time you have to wait for the neighbours to come out!

[Lounge Lizard]

You are spot on. What utter nonsense. May as well say its compulsory after reading that. Where is the time to do this within your contracted hours as I wont ever work over my time?

"Delivery OPG’s will continue to have the sole responsibility to decide if, when, and where, it is appropriate to deliver to a neighbour. However alternative delivery addresses should always be attempted except where the delivery OPG has reviewed or risk-assessed the alternative neighbour delivery options and has significant concerns over either their own safety, or the security of the item."
"alternative delivery addresses should always be attempted" even when the nearest house is a mile away ?
Have they not considered rural duties ?
And we pay £3 a week for the CWU to agree carp like this, and then insult us by telling us what a good deal it is.

[clashcityrocker]

And we pay £3 a week for the CWU to agree carp like this, and then insult us by telling us what a good deal it is.

There is something fishy about this agreement.

[steve1873]

I wouldn't consider doing it if it were a whole minute's walk to the nearest neighbour. That must be some long driveways you have there. I reckon realistically it's more like anywhere between 10 to 20 seconds to walk to the neighbour's door, maybe that's just my area tho?

Also, knocking loud enough on the first door cuts down massively on the time you have to wait for the neighbours to come out!

Who said anything about the NEAREST neighbour? The agreement makes no mention of nearest, simply a suitable neighbour which MAY be the next door neighbour or somebody who lives sufficiently close by. I know many of the streets I deliver to, where there are very few people at home during the day. That may require me to walk to the next block etc. to attempt the nearest suitable neighbour with a chance of actually being in. The bottom line is, that in theory every single attendance call can now take up to DOUBLE the time it would previously have taken, and that is assuming only a single neighbour attempt is sufficient.

[wannabeek]

Yeah, well that'd just be plain daft IMO. The bottom line is that the decision whether or not to attempt DTN is still at the discretion of the OPG so that's what I'll do. If it only takes a few seconds, I'll continue to do so; if the nearest soul is a hike away, I won't attempt it and the reason for it would be 'no suitable nearby neighbour'. Fair dos.

[lollollol]

Definition of the word neighbour...

a person living next door to or very near to the speaker or person referred to.

That'll do for me...

[billysboots1]

So it's compulsory to try and deliver to neighbour under most circumstances... but only one...

Over a period of time I'm going to measure how much time on average I'm attempting to deliver to neighbour... this will then be added to my delivery span for when I inform my DIM I am cutting off...

lets be sensible about what is happening in the letters and parcel markets take amazon who have started delivering there own packets an example of what is to come one of our units used to recieve 4 thousand 5 hundred pkts per week now recieve 000 tnt dhl bussines post uk mail dpd just to name a few there are actually hundreds out there who want this work we need to secure not just our jobs but the jobs of our children grandchildren as well this is the best postal operator out there at the moment we need to have a can do attitude not im breaking off im not doing any knocking of neighbours doors you will be paid the genuine ones who cant do the overtime i give in and also some days you cant through family issues but we need to be more positive otherwise our jobs will go never to return and this union fights hard for there mens benefits the best pay best conditions be lucky you have a good union lots dont most of this reply is aimed at the few we have in each of our offices who every day complain about anything working the union the weather i say to them get a life grow up and do your job if you dont want the overtime dont do it but shut up and stop moaning do my head in aye

[lollollol]

So it's compulsory to try and deliver to neighbour under most circumstances... but only one...

Over a period of time I'm going to measure how much time on average I'm attempting to deliver to neighbour... this will then be added to my delivery span for when I inform my DIM I am cutting off...

lets be sensible about what is happening in the letters and parcel markets take amazon who have started delivering there own packets an example of what is to come one of our units used to recieve 4 thousand 5 hundred pkts per week now recieve 000 tnt dhl bussines post uk mail dpd just to name a few there are actually hundreds out there who want this work we need to secure not just our jobs but the jobs of our children grandchildren as well this is the best postal operator out there at the moment we need to have a can do attitude not im breaking off im not doing any knocking of neighbours doors you will be paid the genuine ones who cant do the overtime i give in and also some days you cant through family issues but we need to be more positive otherwise our jobs will go never to return and this union fights hard for there mens benefits the best pay best conditions be lucky you have a good union lots dont most of this reply is aimed at the few we have in each of our offices who every day complain about anything working the union the weather i say to them get a life grow up and do your job if you dont want the overtime dont do it but shut up and stop moaning do my head in aye

I'm sure you make some reasonable points...

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So it's compulsory to try and deliver to neighbour under most circumstances... but only one...

Over a period of time I'm going to measure how much time on average I'm attempting to deliver to neighbour... this will then be added to my delivery span for when I inform my DIM I am cutting off...

lets be sensible about what is happening in the letters and parcel markets take amazon who have started delivering there own packets an example of what is to come one of our units used to recieve 4 thousand 5 hundred pkts per week now recieve 000 tnt dhl bussines post uk mail dpd just to name a few there are actually hundreds out there who want this work we need to secure not just our jobs but the jobs of our children grandchildren as well this is the best postal operator out there at the moment we need to have a can do attitude not im breaking off im not doing any knocking of neighbours doors you will be paid the genuine ones who cant do the overtime i give in and also some days you cant through family issues but we need to be more positive otherwise our jobs will go never to return and this union fights hard for there mens benefits the best pay best conditions be lucky you have a good union lots dont most of this reply is aimed at the few we have in each of our offices who every day complain about anything working the union the weather i say to them get a life grow up and do your job if you dont want the overtime dont do it but shut up and stop moaning do my head in aye

I'm sure you make some reasonable points...

Just not punctuation ones.

I don't normally comment on these bad grammar/spelling, but I have to say that was extremely difficult to read, and I lost track a number of times.

[Viewfindergeneral]

I don't normally comment on these bad grammar/spelling, but I have to say that was extremely difficult to read, and I lost track a number of times.

Easily solved for me - after the first couple of lines I stopped reading it!

[billysboots1]

I don't normally comment on these bad grammar/spelling, but I have to say that was extremely difficult to read, and I lost track a number of times.

Easily solved for me - after the first couple of lines I stopped reading it!

one of the lazy gang are we

[Viewfindergeneral]

I don't normally comment on these bad grammar/spelling, but I have to say that was extremely difficult to read, and I lost track a number of times.

Easily solved for me - after the first couple of lines I stopped reading it!

one of the lazy gang are we

No, not lazy...or illiterate.