strike breakers

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 00:10

Its all that bitterness against RM you are carrying about

Post by **POSTMAN** » 31 May 2007, 00:12

madsorter wrote:Its all that bitterness against RM you are carrying about

I have to admit that's funny,just a little bit though

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 00:18

Anyway ive maybe exhausted my limited knowledge rant on this thread . A few things ive said may be invalid but a few things are true, a shake up in MC's would benefit even the postys, (and i do know most postys work hard from what im told off the few lads i know well). And one thing i can never ever ever get my head around is the general feeling of total hatred to RM from its staff! Surely we all owe it something at least? If i had the sort of hatred some people have i couldnt work there!

Post by **POSTMAN** » 31 May 2007, 00:59

Hatred for RM,this is a tough one,from what i'm gathering you've never worked in a DO,but then again i've never worked in a MC,so i don't know how things are in them places.
There is a mass hatred for management,with that i mean DO and line managers,would that be the same thing?
Some of the stuff we have to put up with in our daily working lives makes us that way,maybe you've never had this.
As for the company as a whole,i like my job very much and i understand that there has to be changes but there's a limit on what i can do.
My office works because we bend the rules with managements authority,come in early,use our own cars,over weight bags,this has been going on for many many years.
We have given more to RM and saved them more money than they could imagine this way,and yet they want more.
We have now stopped the above in our office and we fail our targets regularly,we need more jobs in our place now as do others doing the same thing as us.
Before the competition,one year we made Â£600M the next year we lost Â£400M then we turned it around now it's gone pear shaped again and the excuse now is the competition.
Read this bit again Before the competition,one year we made Â£600M the next year we lost Â£400M
We have a board of directors who are some of the highest payed people in the public sector earning MILLIONS in wages and they are telling us we are overpayed.
We have probably the worst 'Management (floor level) attitude to floor workers' in probably the whole of the UK.

Time changes things and yes the job has got harder over the years and fair enough,you get payed 8hrs so do 8hrs.
The days of the flyers are now long gone,again fair enough.

There's not a hatred for RM or the job but the people running it and the lacky c***s manageing it,treating us like something on the bottom of their shoe so all the box's get ticked.

Like i said before come and work on the proper front line for a while,and let's see where you and all the other disbelievers go from there.
And don't give me none of that 'well if you don't like it......' malarkey,i and many others do like it,just don't want no freeloaders takin the piss out of us because we like it.

PS: Good luck to the orange men,they're gonna f***ing need it!

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 12:14

POSTMAN wrote:
We have given more to RM and saved them more money than they could imagine this way,and yet they want more.
We have now stopped the above in our office and we fail our targets regularly,we need more jobs in our place now as do others doing the same thing as us.
Before the competition,one year we made Â£600M the next year we lost Â£400M then we turned it around now it's gone pear shaped again and the excuse now is the competition.
Read this bit again Before the competition,one year we made Â£600M the next year we lost Â£400M
We have a board of directors who are some of the highest payed people in the public sector earning MILLIONS in wages and they are telling us we are overpayed.
We have probably the worst 'Management (floor level) attitude to floor workers' in probably the whole of the UK.

cheers some good points you have contributed in this thread and very well put arguments you are a gentleman who obviously knows the score, thats not to say you are 100% right because theres still a touch of delusion there in thinking we are invincible as a business and irreplaceable in a role singularly, i got mates who would have your job for a wage cut TOMORROW!!!

imho processing staff ARE OVERPAID for an unskilled job. l tommo aint gonna like me saying that cos he thinks he is irreplaceable in his role, NO CHANCE, there would be poeple (outside of RM) willing to do any job in a MC for LESS MONEY, i guarantee it, ITS NOT HARD WORK WHAT WE DO, ive had a few hard jobs before RM at what then would of been way below minimum wage, so getting a cushy number in a MC for sorting a bit of mail, getting good breaks, drinking tea and having a snack on the job, lengthy unquestioned toilet breaks at will virtually, mp3 players and fones on the go, etc etc etc QUITE A CUSHY NUMBER FOR 300 QUID A WEEK AFTER TAX MON - FRI!!! Some people have had it too good for too long and dont know hard work!

Oh and before anyone starts with the whole unskilled thing and brings up ex-phg jobs that they consider skilled, think again... ive done virtually every job when i was a PHG....bookroom, revenue protection, busuness reply, Q.A. , special delivery locker, even worked in the reg locker for D.O. forgot about that!!!! SO YES I HAVE WORKED IN THE D.O!!!! And all of them i thought were a breeze for anyone to do for 300 quid a week in their pocket!!!!!

Oh and i aint got a clue what someone means by me 'scaremongering', i aint a union rep , i aint a manager, i just look at this as an outsider would and say what i see!

cruisey · Post by **cruisey** » 31 May 2007, 12:22

MADSORTER. I THINK YOU NEED EDUCATING IN THE WAYS AND MEANS OF THE RM BUSINESS PLAN. LEIGHTON WANTS TO DO THE SAME TO RM AS HE DID TO ASDA. HE BASED HIS BUSINESS PLANS THERE ON PART TIME WORKERS. BELIEVE ME MATE, HE WANTS TO DO THAT HERE. SO STOP KNOCKING

THE MONEY WE EARN FOR WHAT WE DO, COS IN 2,3 MAYBE 4 YEARS TIME YOU COULD BE EARNING HALF AS A PART TIMER. IF THERE'S A NO VOTE IN THE BALLOT, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS GO OUT OF THE WINDOW. ALL PLANS WILL BE RAILROADED IN. YOUR MANAGER WILL COME TO YOU AND SAY, 'HELLO MADSORTER, FROM MONDAY YOU'RE A PART TIMER', AND THERE'LL BE NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

VOTE YES. LETS KEEP THIS BUSINESS FULL TIME

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 12:22

My office works because we bend the rules with managements authority,come in early,use our own cars,over weight bags,this has been going on for many many years.

Oh forgot to add, thats one of the dumbest ways of working i can imagine and cant see how anyone with good sense could see it was doing anything but bad things for the d.o.!!!! Granted i may not FULLY understand the reasons for thes corner cutting ways, but im sure you agree its absolutely futile to work like that and am so glad to hear it has stopped!!!

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 12:24

cheers cruisey, i aint pretending i know it all im just throwing out things i feel!!! , that post of yours has educated me that little bit more also, im swaying to the yes vote haha ,THIS IS WHY IM HERE, NOT TO STIR s**t UP!!!! ;)

cruisey · Post by **cruisey** » 31 May 2007, 12:34

GOOD MAN MADSORTER. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A LIVELY DEBATE

Post by **POSTMAN** » 31 May 2007, 12:40

Mad belive me 'Flexibility' one of RM favourite words and one that will be used very much if there's a no vote.

MC: enough people to cover the work there this week,DO: short of a few bods around the post code area.
Ok we'll send a few of the MC guys to local DO's there's walks that need to be covered.

Its not fantasy it's what they want.!!

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 12:41

i agree and i arnt too proud to say somethings ive said are already sounding daft to me regarding the long run haha!!! Its all about educating people innit and i consider me to be that bit more educated and aware of the whole deal now cheers

ROCKY · Post by **ROCKY** » 31 May 2007, 16:18

MAD YOU DIDNT REPLY TO MY QUESTION AS TO WHY YOU DIDNT GO TO YOUR SORRY WHATEVER YOUR VERSION OF A DOM IS WITH SUGGESTIONS FOR CUT BACKS AND SAVINGS,IF IT WORKS YOU GET A SMALL BONUS AND A PAT ON THE BACK AND MAYBE SAVE SOME FULL TIME JOBS IN THE LONG RUN,MC JOBS ARE GOING TO GET HIT AND HARD NOT JUST BY DSA BUT BIG SHINY NEW TOYS AS WELL AND ITS UP TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE RUN BY FULL TIME AND NOT PART TIMERS
OH AND I DID AGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I DIDNT U TURN, IT WAS JUST A QUESTION WHICH YOU DIDNT ANSWER EITHER,ONE POINT YOU KEEP ON ABOUT IS PEOPLE TAKING THE JOB FOR LESS MONEY,AND YOU COULD BE RIGHT BUT ARE THEY THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD STICK IT OUT, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS IN DELIVERY IS NOT GETTING PEOPLE, BUT GETTING PEOPLE TO STAY AND IF FRED STARTS ON 200 QUID AND SAM THE OLD TIMER IS GETTING Â£350 FOR THE SAME JOB HOW HAPPY IS HE GOING TO BE AND IS HE GOING TO STAY
ANOTHER POINT IS THE UNSKILLED JOB,AS SOMEONE WHO WAS BOUNCED ARROUND THE OFFICE LEARNING DIFFERENT JOBS OVER THE YEARS I FIND MYSELF IN CONSTANT DEMAND FROM MANAGERS BECAUSE OF THE WIDE RANGE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE COMPARED WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS STARTED RECENTLY AND WHO CAN AND WILL ONLY DO THE ONE THING,COULD THAT NOT BE COUNTED AS A SKILL LEVEL,AFTER ALL THE REAL DEFINITION OF SKILL IS THE ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT OTHERS CANNOT DO,MYSELF I WISH I COULD GET A KEYBOARD TO TYPE WHAT I THINK IM PUTTING INTO IT RATHER THAN THE BADLY SPELT AND PUNCTUATED DRIVEL THAT ACTUALLY APPEARS ON SCREEN
APART FROM THAT KEEP UP THE POSTS I LIKE TO KEEP THINGS LIVELY IF POSIBLE RATHER THAN EVERYONE MOANING ON ABOUT THE SAME THING

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 31 May 2007, 16:49

The quote of urs ..."anyway ive exhausted my limited knowledge ranton this thread." Is looking like War and Peace!!!! how long will you chat shite about things that are just about stiring the shite about?? As for being a ex PHG i wonder what you done?? Coding? bookroom? guvnors bitch? and anyperson that WAS a PHG would know that the job HAS been down graded and this is the reason why there is no loyalty as u asked... The Answers are all in your Q's Son... Thank for making your points..

As i said before i did agree with some. But ur so called piss taking is infant!!! so run along now sonny and play with ur good pals from TNT or any screw that
u feel sooooo upset for that we hate them!!! If you did know the issues then again u wouldnt have to ask!!!!

OUT

DOUGHNUT!!!

madsorter · Post by **madsorter** » 31 May 2007, 20:56

knew the big mouth would have to step up after id admitted some things i said where wrong, lets take the name calling out of the thread eh, PM'S only between me and u where you cant show off eh ;)

the 'limited knowledge ' comment you appear to take as an about turn and a piss take was actually sarcasm.....
DOUGHNUT.

lovejoy · Post by **lovejoy** » 31 May 2007, 21:08

Royal Mail have already started to brief reps about picket line conduct snd labelling people as strike breakers.

Maybe you could use the alternative label for them

Sausage
Chips
And
Beans

S
C
A
B

Takes managers a while to pick that one up

ROYALMAILCHAT

strike breakers

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Mad sorter..