citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one
So they would want to dock your pay because a yellow dot has appeared on your PDA actuals. That could happen because you are waiting for someone to answer the door when delivering a parcel/recorded etc. Or will we be given a set time to wait before moving on. "Sorry mate you can't have your item now because you have exceeded the allowed door knocking waiting time, just follow the instructions on the 739 card, bye"
Wouldnt be allowed. If my memory serves me correctly Macdonalds and I think Costa or similar got into serious trouble for "stopping the clock". At quiet times staff were being asked to go sit down. A 6hr shift could last 8hrs.
Pretty sure it was outlawed.
Yellow dots will only ever flag up potential performance/duty issues. Down to manager to investigate reasons why.
Our problem could be that even doing the job properly on a very light day an 8 hour shift could last 6 hours. What happens then? Do we lose 2 hours pay because they can’t provide us with enough work? Or will we be obliged to work 2 hours extra at a time of their choosing?
Zicomurphy wrote:
Our problem could be that even doing the job properly on a very light day an 8 hour shift could last 6 hours. What happens then? Do we lose 2 hours pay because they can’t provide us with enough work? Or will we be obliged to work 2 hours extra at a time of their choosing?
If you return 2 hours early then it is up to management to find work for you to do. If they can't find any then read a book, listen to the radio or whatever until clocking out at the end of your shift. You will be getting paid for that. What you won't be able to do is to bugger off home 2 hours early.
Zicomurphy wrote:
Our problem could be that even doing the job properly on a very light day an 8 hour shift could last 6 hours. What happens then? Do we lose 2 hours pay because they can’t provide us with enough work? Or will we be obliged to work 2 hours extra at a time of their choosing?
If you return 2 hours early then it is up to management to find work for you to do. If they can't find any then read a book, listen to the radio or whatever until clocking out at the end of your shift. You will be getting paid for that. What you won't be able to do is to bugger off home 2 hours early.
citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one
So they would want to dock your pay because a yellow dot has appeared on your PDA actuals. That could happen because you are waiting for someone to answer the door when delivering a parcel/recorded etc. Or will we be given a set time to wait before moving on. "Sorry mate you can't have your item now because you have exceeded the allowed door knocking waiting time, just follow the instructions on the 739 card, bye"
Wouldnt be allowed. If my memory serves me correctly Macdonalds and I think Costa or similar got into serious trouble for "stopping the clock". At quiet times staff were being asked to go sit down. A 6hr shift could last 8hrs.
Pretty sure it was outlawed.
Yellow dots will only ever flag up potential performance/duty issues. Down to manager to investigate reasons why.
Our problem could be that even doing the job properly on a very light day an 8 hour shift could last 6 hours. What happens then? Do we lose 2 hours pay because they can’t provide us with enough work? Or will we be obliged to work 2 hours extra at a time of their choosing?
In a previous employment I worked for, they banked the hours over the year. Any deficit would be drawn upon whenever management wanted and only agreed ot was paid, awful people to work for. There was no Union representation. I sincerely hope RM don't go down this route, but I fear they will try.
Zicomurphy wrote:
Our problem could be that even doing the job properly on a very light day an 8 hour shift could last 6 hours. What happens then? Do we lose 2 hours pay because they can’t provide us with enough work? Or will we be obliged to work 2 hours extra at a time of their choosing?
If you return 2 hours early then it is up to management to find work for you to do. If they can't find any then read a book, listen to the radio or whatever until clocking out at the end of your shift. You will be getting paid for that. What you won't be able to do is to bugger off home 2 hours early.
Their whole mantra is “working all paid hours”. Don’t make the mistake of thinking the way things are now will apply in the future. If they start making changes by executive action they can do whatever they want. Do you think they will allow you to get paid to sit and do nothing for 2 hours if they can bring in banking of hours and get you to work those 2 hours when it’s busier.
citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one
So they would want to dock your pay because a yellow dot has appeared on your PDA actuals. That could happen because you are waiting for someone to answer the door when delivering a parcel/recorded etc. Or will we be given a set time to wait before moving on. "Sorry mate you can't have your item now because you have exceeded the allowed door knocking waiting time, just follow the instructions on the 739 card, bye"
Wouldnt be allowed. If my memory serves me correctly Macdonalds and I think Costa or similar got into serious trouble for "stopping the clock". At quiet times staff were being asked to go sit down. A 6hr shift could last 8hrs.
Pretty sure it was outlawed.
Yellow dots will only ever flag up potential performance/duty issues. Down to manager to investigate reasons why.
Our problem could be that even doing the job properly on a very light day an 8 hour shift could last 6 hours. What happens then? Do we lose 2 hours pay because they can’t provide us with enough work? Or will we be obliged to work 2 hours extra at a time of their choosing?
In a previous employment I worked for, they banked the hours over the year. Any deficit would be drawn upon whenever management wanted and only agreed ot was paid, awful people to work for. There was no Union representation. I sincerely hope RM don't go down this route, but I fear they will try.
Exactly this. This is a job where no 2 days are the same. Some days of the week are heavier than others. Some times of the year are heavier than others. That’s the problem Royal Mail have always had. “Resourcing to workload” becomes a lot easier when on a very heavy day they have previously “banked” 150 hours across the whole office and can just tell people they have to stay out to completion, whatever that time might be.
If they go down the route of banking hours, it would be a great way to cut out day off overtime. You owe us 8 hours so you have to work your day off next week!
citypostie wrote:If they go down the route of banking hours, it would be a great way to cut out day off overtime. You owe us 8 hours so you have to work your day off next week!
What about "Dont pay me the 8 hours overtime I have earned this week I will take tomorrow off" Got to work both ways surely.
citypostie wrote:If they go down the route of banking hours, it would be a great way to cut out day off overtime. You owe us 8 hours so you have to work your day off next week!
What about "Dont pay me the 8 hours overtime I have earned this week I will take tomorrow off" Got to work both ways surely.
The problem comes when someone doesn't want "tomorrow" off but is told to anyway, or does want tomorrow off but is told "no chance". What union would ever agree to the concept of banked hours?
So what happens to the bosses blue eyes boys who do docket and then sit at home at 12 and return at 2.30 to clock off while the rest of us mugs who do the job properly work the full 8 hour shift
Will anything change!!!!
Intercityfirm1970 wrote:So what happens to the bosses blue eyes boys who do docket and then sit at home at 12 and return at 2.30 to clock off while the rest of us mugs who do the job properly work the full 8 hour shift
Will anything change!!!!
Combined with PDA actuals usage? 2 1/2 hours would be a long time for a PDA to be stationary