Perhaps I misspoke but the average is 2.1 mph over the whole duty, including the times when we are stationary. This means according to the Union that when we are walking the average pace has to be around 4mph to meet the 2.1mph planned speed for the whole delivery.
A speed of 6.44km/hr and a calling time of 6.6 or 9 seconds are applied to
each delivery point (address point). 6.6 seconds for address with no path
to the door and 9 seconds for address with paths leading to the door. The
calling time is the average time allowed to open and close gates to the
house, take out mail and any signed for items.
6.44kph is 4.00163mph
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number one wrote:So many people wrongly think this will be used to make people work their full contracted hours. It won’t be. We are 7 years in now from when we were told job and finish is finished, it isn’t and it will still exist after this is rolled out.
It's a resourcing tool.
Like all resourcing tools its primary function is to align workload against resource.
How do you think it will be used to align workload against resource number one?
Show your working.
The tools that have just been used in my office revision shows my walk as a 5:15hr Delivery span. I can do it in 3:40. .
That's why they're called PDA actuals.
They're nothing to do with any of the nonsense you've posted, they're nothing to do with standards, they're nothing to do with minimum speeds or capabilities.
They're "actuals" so you'll be faced with the choice of taking the 5.15hrs to do your delivery or taking 3.40hrs and during the weekly resource meeting the rep and management will discuss exactly why there appears to be an anomaly between the planned delivery span and the "actual" delivery span.
there is a planning speed with averages out around just over 4 mph.
A HCT duty should be no more than 1 mile (15 minutes walk) from the DO.
That is the 4 mph bit. Just pushing a trolley to the start of the duty.
On delivery the average is so much less when you factor in packets. terrain etc.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
there is a planning speed with averages out around just over 4 mph.
A HCT duty should be no more than 1 mile (15 minutes walk) from the DO.
That is the 4 mph bit. Just pushing a trolley to the start of the duty.
On delivery the average is so much less when you factor in packets. terrain etc.
Traffic in a pared van duty or lift broken or pda will not work in the rain all this and more total waste of time.
telithowitis wrote:The first problem I can see in predicting delivery times is because of Specials we often have to do loops in different orders, and to be fair posties often do the loops in different order anyway out of personal preference.
Specials will likely change to guaranteed next-day no set time to eliminate any time constraints.
This is highly unlikely to happen given that 9am & 1pm SDs are the RMs premium product. There have been numerous changes to delivery specifications over the years including quite a few changes to the duty start times but the times for both SD products have never altered.
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telithowitis wrote:The first problem I can see in predicting delivery times is because of Specials we often have to do loops in different orders, and to be fair posties often do the loops in different order anyway out of personal preference.
As part of doing the job 'properly' posties will have to change and deliver as the order of the walk frame. If designed correctly, which sadly does not always happen, the walk frame order should be the optimum way to deliver the walk.
Certainly with 9am SDs there will be an obvious need to deviate from the walk route unless someone else delivers them. With the 1pm SDs I quite regularly have to deviate from route for any at the far reaches of the route and usually do this early on if needs be.
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number one wrote:So many people wrongly think this will be used to make people work their full contracted hours. It won’t be. We are 7 years in now from when we were told job and finish is finished, it isn’t and it will still exist after this is rolled out.
It's a resourcing tool.
Like all resourcing tools its primary function is to align workload against resource.
How do you think it will be used to align workload against resource number one?
Show your working.
The tools that have just been used in my office revision shows my walk as a 5:15hr Delivery span. I can do it in 3:40. .
That's why they're called PDA actuals.
They're nothing to do with any of the nonsense you've posted, they're nothing to do with standards, they're nothing to do with minimum speeds or capabilities.
They're "actuals" so you'll be faced with the choice of taking the 5.15hrs to do your delivery or taking 3.40hrs and during the weekly resource meeting the rep and management will discuss exactly why there appears to be an anomaly between the planned delivery span and the "actual" delivery span.
Not being critical but in the 'common tongue' this is referred to as 'killing the walk'.
There are really fast posties in every DO - we have a few - and it sounds like 'number one' is one as well. The PDA actuals data cannot be used on a individual postie level but it will be used on a DO basis. So if you have several fast posties in your DO the RM will want the calculated hours they are saving back from the office budget as a whole. This is going to potentially have a bad effect on DOs and may mean posties who are slower getting more work to do.
Everyone needs to start looking at how they deliver their walks now especially if they are getting done before duty time ends. If you are a full timer just taking both your 20 minutes breaks within duty could add 40 minutes to your overall duty time. Coming in just before your duty time starts rather than before could also potentially help fill the gaps in what RM see as unworked time.
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The PDA actuals data cannot be used on a individual postie level
There's nothing to say that the PDA actuals cannot be applied on an individual duty level, that's entirely different to applying the data to an individual. In the "common tongue" this is what is known as walk optimisation.
dingo wrote:The use of PDA actuals for resourcing has been tied up in negotiations since the agreement was endorsed.
Royal Mail clearly see the use for PDA’s for examining whether all overtime , belated , full time duty , rest day or part timers Outdoor hourage is being worked.
The Cheshire and Mersey Area was the trail area and some offices it showed that some individuals were working over and a significant number under. It showed that some part timers who were claiming more hours were not working them outdoors and some absence overtime being paid was not being worked.
Royal Mail organised Divisional workshops to roll the use of PDA actuals and they have been stood down as both parties have reached an impasse over a Joint Statement on the use of PDA’s for resourcing.
Just going 'devils advocate' on this one for a moment. There is such a thing currently called 'goodwill' within DOs where posties will offer to do some more delivery after they have finished their own walk. This happens when there are staff shortages or illness etc. We offer to do it to help out the postie that will do the walk the following day. In addition it helps use up some of the office yearly budget which can prevent further hours being taken from the DO in the future.
After the PDA actuals process has started this could result in posties volunteering to do overtime to help clear a walk. Then they could be told afterwards that they finished their own walk early that day so they will get less or no overtime for offering to help the DO. This could have a detrimental effect on 'goodwill' within DOs in the future. Just a thought.
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The LTB 251/2017 mentions moving the walk log and designing an electronic manifest to the PDA software.
Could this be connected with RMs dislike of us sorting sequenced mech mail into our walk frames and a possible desire to get rid of walk frames or radically reduce their current size & usage ???
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Celgar wrote:The LTB 251/2017 mentions moving the walk log and designing an electronic manifest to the PDA software.
Could this be connected with RMs dislike of us sorting sequenced mech mail into our walk frames and a possible desire to get rid of walk frames or radically reduce their current size & usage ???
Yes it does.
It's their solution to the fact that removing the preparation process removes the opportunity to check the duty for hazards and note those hazards before delivery commences. If the PDA contains the hazards the software could trigger a warning before each hazard. It's possible that potential redirection issues could be resolved the same way. If as you approach each delivery the PDA warns that a redirection is in place it would be possible to filter out that mail at delivery point, label it at the vehicle then add it to the collection mail. Job done as they say.
Celgar wrote:The LTB 251/2017 mentions moving the walk log and designing an electronic manifest to the PDA software.
Could this be connected with RMs dislike of us sorting sequenced mech mail into our walk frames and a possible desire to get rid of walk frames or radically reduce their current size & usage ???
Yes it does.
It's their solution to the fact that removing the preparation process removes the opportunity to check the duty for hazards and note those hazards before delivery commences. If the PDA contains the hazards the software could trigger a warning before each hazard. It's possible that potential redirection issues could be resolved the same way. If as you approach each delivery the PDA warns that a redirection is in place it would be possible to filter out that mail at delivery point, label it at the vehicle then add it to the collection mail. Job done as they say.
Ugh.
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Any maps of the planned rollout for the respective phases? It isn't a problem in my office atm but in previous years it would have been. A couple of DOMs were doing regular prep-testing and walk testing etc trying to translate a small percentage change in total items to an expected finish time. All the problems went away if you agreed to do Excess overtime but cutting off would reusult in more testing.
Anyway, as I say all is well atm and I have no real problem with the data being used for planning etc but I don't think it should be viewable by the DOM without consent from a Rep and all references logged.
The PDA actuals data cannot be used on a individual postie level
There's nothing to say that the PDA actuals cannot be applied on an individual duty level, that's entirely different to applying the data to an individual. In the "common tongue" this is what is known as walk optimisation.
And this will create problems. Like when you got a super fast postie who has had their duty 'walk optimised' and then when its their day or week off, the all too familiar problems emerge - like expecting to complete an already oversized duty in the time allotted.
I'm sure RM will use this technology to their advantage, but it won't solve many of the day to day issues.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
