Wilful delay

[rehabron]

again incorrect when you return to work next week enquire if there is a document HERICA because through my own experience my line manager completed one and ticked the relevant boxes for an accident on duty which was determined according to line manager I had completed an unsafe act and therefore completed a HERICA for my injury which included absence.
After taking the matter through management H&S rep and because an injury had occurred it should have been an ERICA and after several meetings with management had line manager's decision overturned and completed ERICA.

I think you mean HERCA = Human error root cause analysis. This is nothing to do with ERICA through. In this case it would probably be both. If anyone has sustained an injury then ERICA needs to be completed

You are correct " PhilthyPhil" if there has been an injury then it has to be recorded through an ERICA but again I emphasise the fact that RM will if not argued will attempt to record through HERCA as an incident broght on by human error as an unsafe act has been committed and the snowball effect is if the employee goes sick then because a HERCA has been completed then any absences resulting from this will not be discounted from the attendance procedure. If an ERICA is completed and is correct procedure where an injury has resulted then this is the correct form and because it is recorded as an accident at work then the absence will be discounted from the attendance procedure, Been there got the camera and the T-Shirt to prove.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

If an ERICA is completed and is correct procedure where an injury has resulted then this is the correct form and because it is recorded as an accident at work then the absence will be discounted from the attendance procedure, Been there got the camera and the T-Shirt to prove.

yet again incorrect it may be discounted. if entered on erica it does not mean it will be discounted for attendance procedure

[rehabron]

ZX135 Do you have personal knowledge that an accident at work will not be discounted from the attendance procedure should the person go sick from the result of the accident because according to the attendance procedure guidelines this is not the case and can you give a case where this has not happened.
Look Forward to hearing from you.

[rehabron]

Absences which result from accidents on
duty will normally be discounted when
deciding whether the attendance standards
have been reached or maintained. Such
absences will still be reviewed on return
to work

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

I know of 3 cases where it happened, 2 on here and one in my do, now as you pointed out for me, the attendance procedure specifically says should normally be discounted, not will be discounted

The case in my office was with a postie who had damaged 3 vans in space of month by opening door in high wind, was told if it happened again he would possible be conducted, done it again 3 weeks later and was injured, was told it was being counted as he had done the same thing 3 times in just under 2 months and was warned to take care each time, erica was filled out each time also

As I said it can happen, its not as simple case as saying it will definitely be discounted when its clearly in writing stating otherwise

[rehabron]

I know of 3 cases where it happened, 2 on here and one in my do, now as you pointed out for me, the attendance procedure specifically says should normally be discounted, not will be discounted

The case in my office was with a postie who had damaged 3 vans in space of month by opening door in high wind, was told if it happened again he would possible be conducted, done it again 3 weeks later and was injured, was told it was being counted as he had done the same thing 3 times in just under 2 months and was warned to take care each time, erica was filled out each time also

As I said it can happen, its not as simple case as saying it will definitely be discounted when its clearly in writing stating otherwise

On the case you have listed then I fully agree with you in the circumstances because this postie having damaged 3 vans in the space of a month then again 3 weeks later should have been reasonably prepared what to expect when opening van door in high winds and should have been more cautious when attempting the same manoeuvre based on his past experience.
I reiterate on the attendance procedure guidelines that an accident at work will NORMALLY be discounted from attendance procedure and will be REVIEWED. In this instance that you have mentioned then it would have come under the review and therefore continually repeating previous warnings and ignoring them this postie as you so rightly mention could not expect his absence to be discounted.
The discounting of aod from attendance procedure is for genuine cases but it can be open to abuse and there will be employees who attempt to work the system that's in place.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

I know of 3 cases where it happened, 2 on here and one in my do, now as you pointed out for me, the attendance procedure specifically says should normally be discounted, not will be discounted

The case in my office was with a postie who had damaged 3 vans in space of month by opening door in high wind, was told if it happened again he would possible be conducted, done it again 3 weeks later and was injured, was told it was being counted as he had done the same thing 3 times in just under 2 months and was warned to take care each time, erica was filled out each time also

As I said it can happen, its not as simple case as saying it will definitely be discounted when its clearly in writing stating otherwise

On the case you have listed then I fully agree with you in the circumstances because this postie having damaged 3 vans in the space of a month then again 3 weeks later should have been reasonably prepared what to expect when opening van door in high winds and should have been more cautious when attempting the same manoeuvre based on his past experience.
I reiterate on the attendance procedure guidelines that an accident at work will NORMALLY be discounted from attendance procedure and will be REVIEWED. In this instance that you have mentioned then it would have come under the review and therefore continually repeating previous warnings and ignoring them this postie as you so rightly mention could not expect his absence to be discounted.
The discounting of aod from attendance procedure is for genuine cases but it can be open to abuse and there will be employees who attempt to work the system that's in place.

That's my point you are, that it may be counted, you were the one who said no matter what if an Erick is reported it will be discounted which is incorrect