The TNT model is to have a delivery service in 40% of urban areas in the UK within 3 years.
If they can find a partner willing to invest 50-80 million Euros.
TNT Post are skint dingo.
Still dangerous but skint so they won't be rolling out any delivery service outside London in the next 3 years unless they find a sugar daddy.
The TNT model is to have a delivery service in 40% of urban areas in the UK within 3 years.
If they can find a partner willing to invest 50-80 million Euros.
TNT Post are skint dingo.
Still dangerous but skint so they won't be rolling out any delivery service outside London in the next 3 years unless they find a sugar daddy.
Yes I forget how many times we have heard the cry WOLF and henny penny the sky is falling - these causes are trotted out as and when necessary. The whole point is why didn't we boycott DSA sooner - well we were delivering it for one thing and we didn't set the price but we had full time work on the strength of it and still do - except now of course the spectre of TNT has risen - in LONDON
Fish I suggest you look at the TNT annual report their growth in China and Braizil meant they are far from skint. Now if your referring to the UPS pull out if you look at that the EU was insisting on measures which TNT and UPS could not agree or would not agree and UPS pulled out and hence the share price tumbled. Of course the speculation is that UPS loss could well be fed exes gain.
If you seriously believe that TNT will not open up sites outside of London than your deluded. It is so easy they have 20% of the DSA market they just under cut Royal Mail , pay cheap labour and deliver when and where they want on a day or two per week in a postcode area and they grow.
it has now spread to 6 London Postcodes , there are only another 4 to go before they are outside of the capital. wake up 5% loss of mail will mean less jobs in Royal Mail.
PostNL’s chief executive Herna Verhagen wrote:Verhagen said the plan was for a full roll out of end-to-end in the UK to contribute to PostNL profits by 2015. However, with PostNL suffering problems in the Dutch mail market, the company does not currently have the available capital to go it alone on the roll-out.
“Full roll-out of end-to-end in the UK would require EUR 50-80m investment,” she said. “We have absolute cash constraints in PostNL, so that means in England we are receptive to a partner willing to invest with us.”
Herna Verhagen said it dingo,not me and only 3 weeks ago.
She should know.
You can take it up with her.
dingo wrote:they regularly put mail back into the Royal Mail system where Royal Mail does not surcharge them and often end up delivering it for free
The mail which TNT are delivering in London should have a code of practice licence number on it (CL102 in their case, I think; not to be confused with their DSA licence number C910002). If any ends up in the RM system then the mail should be passed to the local Revenue Protection unit who should be collating the figures under the OLO/COP process and emailing them to Downstream Access Central Control for billing. The mail then gets collected by TNT when they drop off their DSA mail. The same process exists for DX mail (CL106 plus any item which only has a DX number as an address) and for various other licence holders (although some get their mail returned at an extra cost from some MCs rather than collecting it).
If the mail doesn't have a code of practice number on it (and isn't a DX item with just a DX number as the address) then it should be surcharged like any other unpaid item.
If anyone in RM is just putting this mail through the system because they can't be bothered to follow the correct process then they are just helping to put themselves out of a job.
Does anyone know what the big customers are thinking such as Tesco ? I would have thought that they should have been written to by the Union or even by royal mail last year warning them that their letters might not
be delivered ?
Such a letter might have convinced them to abandon the DSA leeches ??? Does anyone know if the Union has?/had such a strategy ?
I am afraid that I concur with much of the opinion that this is something that potentially, and tacitly, will suit the management, if successful. But I wish my former colleagues well in defeating the evil of
leech-mail. I also cant wait to see the director of uk leechmail pleading on tv for those nice rm postmen to get back to delivering his leech mail asap .
Wessex wrote:Does anyone know what the big customers are thinking such as Tesco ? I would have thought that they should have been written to by the Union or even by royal mail last year warning them that their letters might not
be delivered ?
Such a letter might have convinced them to abandon the DSA leeches ??? Does anyone know if the Union has?/had such a strategy ?
I am afraid that I concur with much of the opinion that this is something that potentially, and tacitly, will suit the management, if successful. But I wish my former colleagues well in defeating the evil of
leech-mail. I also cant wait to see the director of uk leechmail pleading on tv for those nice rm postmen to get back to delivering his leech mail asap .
Well you did notice that it says "in the coming months". There hasn't exactly been any strategy because I don't believe it will ever come to that. RM will go to the regulator with a plea for help in avoiding industrial strife by being reasonable in setting a pricing structure more in keeping with the cost - which of course RM had consultation with in the first place. We have been delivering DSA for years without a peep out of the union, now why would that be? Well London are having an attempt by TNT to start a delivery service which is understandable for a number of reasons and privatisation is most definitely on the cards and RM would like nothing better than a pricing structure favourable to present to potential investors. Once RM has the regulator on side over DSA pricing it may not be too long before both the USO and the 5 day delivery go out of the window.
If RM tried to contact the companies who use DSA to deliver their mail then I think they would end up in court. Condition 10 of RM's licence (Prohibition Of Obtaining Unfair Commercial Advantage) prevents them from doing that
Wessex wrote:Such a letter might have convinced them to abandon the DSA leeches ???
The last thing Royal Mail wants is for companies to stop using DSA.
Think about all of those job cuts,mailcentre closures and savings RM has made in the last 10 years off the back of DSA.
It's not always about pure cost per item.
Royal Mail would be quite happy for the DSA companies to continue as they are as long as we can make a profit from it.
What they can't handle and again at the risk of repeating myself what this whole thing is about is DSA companies delivering it themselves.
Let's repeat it anyway.
The whole thing is about end to end delivery, not about DSA.
DSA was loss-making. They have changed the prices, it is now profitable.
End to end delivery is a real threat. In London now but maybe coming to a city near you.
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clashcityrocker wrote:Let's repeat it anyway.
The whole thing is about end to end delivery, not about DSA.
DSA was loss-making. They have changed the prices, it is now profitable.
End to end delivery is a real threat. In London now but maybe coming to a city near you.
Well it will probably come sooner or later a gradual process I would imagine - it has taken RM 3 years to revise half the delivery offices - sooooo how long would it take to organise a national delivery service on the same scale from scratch.
But they don't want it on the same scale - they probably want 40-60% coverage - or the most profitable areas, and its not from scratch.
They don't need mail centres like Royal Mail. All they need is trunking between existing warehouses where the letters/posties can be bused out to the areas they intend to deliver to on that day.
They don't need all singing dancing machines, all they need is one that can cope with a standard size and type face (unlike Royal Mail that has to use machines to cope with different sizes, fonts etc)
They'll never match Royal Mail for coverage, size or services - it costs too much.
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They would only deliver mail 2 or 3 days a week, in highly populated areas, big towns and cities. They would not deliver in smaller villages and other rural areas, because there is no money in it. It would be the height of cherry picking, done on minimum wage. That is where they intend to make their money. We would end up with the rest.
UnhappyGremlin wrote:They would only deliver mail 2 or 3 days a week, in highly populated areas, big towns and cities. They would not deliver in smaller villages and other rural areas, because there is no money in it. It would be the height of cherry picking, done on minimum wage. That is where they intend to make their money. We would end up with the rest.
...so whats the ' get around' for the government who on the one hand want to privatise Royal Mail but on the other hand employ a regulator who at first glance seems to be undermining the sale ..the whole privatisation/boycott/regulator story has so many layers to it that i can feel another one of these coming on...I always thought that to privatise Royal Mail the regulator would have to nip the above scenario in the bud,they have after 5 years of subsidising the bandits allowed Royal mail to make a profit on DSA so whats the jackanory ..is it possible to 'sell' Royal Mail and make it an attractive investment with the above regulation still in place?
I think Dan that Ofcom are bricking it from making a ruling that will get dragged straight to Brussels over competition rules.
TNT will no doubt plead with the EU that they are only trying to compete with the "state monopoly" Royal Mail on the delivery side and the big bully is trying to force them out of business.
Ofcom are no doubt hoping that End to End just goes away,they may get their wish,some reports are that the TNT Post trial is a shambles with poor quality and it is bleeding cash,cash the parent company can't afford to lose.
If it doesn't go away,if they find a partner willing to invest and expand...it will get messy for all.
coming on...I always thought that to privatise Royal Mail the regulator would have to nip the above scenario in the bud,they have after 5 years of subsidising the bandits allowed Royal mail to make a profit on DSA so whats the jackanory ..is it possible to 'sell' Royal Mail and make it an attractive investment with the above regulation still in place?