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no ive had no pay since nov my union rep said that the manager has made a complete balls up of the interview an my appeals manager said ive been set up an they have not followed the right procedures as there was another lad an hes still working where as i got sacked i should of been conciledfor what i did but was not i still have all my uniform an also the key to the premisis do i not have to wait until i get his dicition first before i can go to an it but ive only got till january as that to do that but if i win i wil recive all my pay from the day i got dismissed im just hoping i do win can i go off sick if i win as im needing an operation which ive al ready turned down for them

sharon get you tribunial form in now as there is a time limit,if you win your job back b4 the tribunial,you just cancel tribunial,but its imperitive that you get the forms away,all the best btw

[La Poste]

my appeals manager said ive been set up an they have not followed the right procedures as there was another lad an hes still working where as i got sacked i should of been conciled for what i did but was not

Amazes me that an appeal manager told you all this, was it off the record and not in the notes?
RM can afford to take their time as you are not being paid now.
I really want you to win I do.
If you can compare two exact cases and find they were not treated the same then this is a really good argument for unfairness plus the fact you were not councelled, the conduct code specifically states councelling is the first course of action.
However claiming docket and being at home is theft unless you can argue a manager told you it was allright to do job and knock.
Best angle is the way you were treated differently to someone else IMO and to argue it was the norm at your DO with other people doing it and not being challenged.
Definately put your Employment tribunal form before the three months runs out from your date of dismissal. Don't put it off.
Good luck.

[sharonbar]

where do i enquire about the forms an do i need the union to help me fill them in an whare do you send them off to do royal mail get to know im doing an et form im gonna fight all the way thanks for everyones support

[TrueBlueTerrier]

where do i enquire about the forms an do i need the union to help me fill them in an whare do you send them off to do royal mail get to know im doing an et form im gonna fight all the way thanks for everyones support

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[norbert]

where do i enquire about the forms an do i need the union to help me fill them in an whare do you send them off to do royal mail get to know im doing an et form im gonna fight all the way thanks for everyones support

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Get one from the Dole Office or Job Centre and get round to the Branch , the Branch Secretary or one of his Area Reps will help you fill it in properly & it will have to be done right . Don't Delay - it's 3 months from your sacking to get it in .

Failing that get a appointment with the Citizen's advice and a Case Worker might do it - The Union have to be informed if you take RM to Tribunal , whether they agree with you doing so or not

I'm getting the impression RM have been lurking on here ( quell surprise ) - otherwise that appeals manager wouldn't have said what he did BUT he's only covering his arse from higher up - I doubt if it would be in the notes nice cop or no nice cop

RM Personnel will get to know if you take them to Tribunal - they've been known for their solicitors to make offers to drop the tribunal when it's due , their offers go up £500 a time .

[La Poste]

I'm getting the impression RM have been lurking on here ( quell surprise ) - otherwise that appeals manager wouldn't have said what he did BUT he's only covering his arse from higher up - I doubt if it would be in the notes nice cop or no nice cop

I know it's not allowed and probably illegal but a voice recorder is allways a good thing IMO. Although taking one in might do your case more harm than good who's to say?

[sharonbar]

do you think managers spy on us on here i dont give a s**t i have been unfairly treat

[hantsman]

where do i enquire about the forms an do i need the union to help me fill them in an whare do you send them off to do royal mail get to know im doing an et form im gonna fight all the way thanks for everyones support

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Get one from the Dole Office or Job Centre and get round to the Branch , the Branch Secretary or one of his Area Reps will help you fill it in properly & it will have to be done right . Don't Delay - it's 3 months from your sacking to get it in .

Failing that get a appointment with the Citizen's advice and a Case Worker might do it - The Union have to be informed if you take RM to Tribunal , whether they agree with you doing so or not

I'm getting the impression RM have been lurking on here ( quell surprise ) - otherwise that appeals manager wouldn't have said what he did BUT he's only covering his arse from higher up - I doubt if it would be in the notes nice cop or no nice cop

RM Personnel will get to know if you take them to Tribunal - they've been known for their solicitors to make offers to drop the tribunal when it's due , their offers go up £500 a time .

Good avice Norbert,


Im not sure re NI about certain things except its an IT over there .............Sharon if you have a CAB in NI go in and get an appointment its free do it ASAP

Fill in the IT/ET1 form online its the best and the quickest way to send it.

Ring up ACAS asap

Consult with the union but if its not moving quickly procced with it yourself

Norbert where do you get the info about RM offers going up £500 a time? Is that current information

[norbert]

Hi Hantsman

The bit about RM's solicitors ringing up and making offers to drop Tribunal cases because they're " good lads " and gradually putting the offers up by £500 a time is what I've heard when some staff have been sacked for wilful delay on the flimsiest of pretexts .

They tend to offer more if the local rag has got a sniff of it . At one time the local rag would be tomorrow's chip paper but now the Google Spiders will find the reports . Staff on here think it's cheaper for RM than paying for Solicitors / Barristers to represent them at a ET & it keeps things down .

A settlement does not clear anyone and it could be regarded as a form of subtle bullying as RM might hope that somebody doesn't fancy the stressful experience of taking on RM and will bottle it and it could be regarded as a cheap way of getting rid of a " troublemaker " .

There would be a few women's magazines that would be interested in Sharon's story , things could be " manipulated " but it could work against her i.e. " don't touch that troublemaker with a barge pole " with future employers .

It will be just a game to RM unfortunately . I do agree the best angle is to argue that the place was badly run and there was " poor practices " , the fact that Sharon still has a key is a good one ? , there might have been pressure from above to crack down and RM obviously botched it .

[sharonbar]

hi norbert yes i still have my key an uniform an will keep them im not handing them over now

[hantsman]

where do i enquire about the forms an do i need the union to help me fill them in an whare do you send them off to do royal mail get to know im doing an et form im gonna fight all the way thanks for everyones support

http://direct.gov.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOnline/DG_4017934" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Get one from the Dole Office or Job Centre and get round to the Branch , the Branch Secretary or one of his Area Reps will help you fill it in properly & it will have to be done right . Don't Delay - it's 3 months from your sacking to get it in .

Failing that get a appointment with the Citizen's advice and a Case Worker might do it - The Union have to be informed if you take RM to Tribunal , whether they agree with you doing so or not

I'm getting the impression RM have been lurking on here ( quell surprise ) - otherwise that appeals manager wouldn't have said what he did BUT he's only covering his arse from higher up - I doubt if it would be in the notes nice cop or no nice cop

RM Personnel will get to know if you take them to Tribunal - they've been known for their solicitors to make offers to drop the tribunal when it's due , their offers go up £500 a time .

Good avice Norbert,


Im not sure re NI about certain things except its an IT over there .............Sharon if you have a CAB in NI go in and get an appointment its free do it ASAP

Fill in the IT/ET1 form online its the best and the quickest way to send it.

Ring up ACAS asap

Consult with the union but if its not moving quickly procced with it yourself

Norbert where do you get the info about RM offers going up £500 a time? Is that current information

Sharon you need to sign on NOW!! Not sure why you are not doing this. They can stop it but I dont think they will. You also need to carry out what I have advised you to do ASAP do not delay.

[norbert]

correct - the Social have a separate adjudication unit which will make inquires into your sacking . That's why you need a IT application in as something in black and white to back you up . Also any paperwork re appeal will back you up too .

They may hold fire on putting a sanction on as a result .

There will be staff at the Adjudication Unit that will be under pressure from on high to trip you up and make something stick - so be very careful .

The Social will want to know why you haven't signed on already .

When the Social make inquires to RM , whoever answers has to toe the RM line as everything is purely to impress a more senior manager - all this we must sing from the same hymn sheet that you get everywhere but RM take this to extremes .

However this where you can trip RM up as it's likely there will be gaping holes , things will be contradictory etc in their response .

Basically you have to say to the Social why RM have botched your sacking , RM will get to know about it but don't be intimidated by either the Social or RM . They may back off but everything has to be precise , who , what , when , where whom etc blow by blow stuff in order .

DO NOT get into a row , as there will be people looking for one - stick to your guns firmly and politely

There will be managers that will not like you telling tales out of class about RM to the Social so expect them to play dirty - it's always been traditionally secretive and defensive .

I'd seek professional / appropriate advice .

[norbert]

I'm getting the impression RM have been lurking on here ( quell surprise ) - otherwise that appeals manager wouldn't have said what he did BUT he's only covering his arse from higher up - I doubt if it would be in the notes nice cop or no nice cop

I know it's not allowed and probably illegal but a voice recorder is allways a good thing IMO. Although taking one in might do your case more harm than good who's to say?

I think ? if they are of the opinion that RM deliberately said something that was never to be on the record or to be witnessed , covert recording would be the lesser crime .

Let's just say some rogue managers have gone white as a ghost when they've found out things have been recorded . RM will naturally squeal like a stuck pig though .

[kent postie]

well im going into my fouth week now waiting on an appeal 4 reinstatement if sucsessfull am i entitled to back pay and wot would be a reasonable relocation as im pretty sure im not gonna be going back to my old office

[La Poste]

well im going into my fouth week now waiting on an appeal 4 reinstatement if sucsessfull am i entitled to back pay and wot would be a reasonable relocation as im pretty sure im not gonna be going back to my old office

Well good luck.
The more stories we hear like this the better without giving too much away as RM will be reading it sometime, somewhere especially if it becomes a popular thread.
How do you see your chances mate?