MARCH 2009 PEC REPORT

[dvbuk55]

Maybe it wasn't a good idea to mention "pay freeze" - therefore any increase over a pay freeze would seem like good news, personally I think we should ask for £100 a week and a 25 hour week (mind you must of us will be on that soon anyway) - they may die laughing.

[teamtalk]

Ok i read this hoping it would be about the CWU pay claim for 2009.

Have a read the wrong thing? Have we put in a pay claim yet?
Really see our pay claim this year as being a very big issue.

Sorry if i've posted in the wrong bit or am reading the wrong think i'm new round here

2009 Pay Claim

Dave Ward has written to Dale Haddon, Royal Mail HR Director, outlining our pay claim due on 1st April. The letter recognises external factors such as the recession and the fall in mail volumes but points out that Royal Mail have just made a profit, are likely to have the pension deficit removed, have confirmed that they don’t need any extra money to fund new machinery and are likely to make large savings on their modernisation programme. The letter argues that our claim has to be seen in the context of all of this.

The claim itself is therefore asking for significant progress to be made towards the joint commitment to bring the basic wage up to £400 a week, towards achieving the 35-hour week, an improved job security package and improved family friendly policies. We do accept that we are unlikely to achieve all this in one go but we don’t accept that we can’t make any advances this year and certainly won’t accept a wage freeze.

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Right i did read that bit, but it then the letter moves off in a number of directions. I was more looking for 5% and a reduction of 1 hour a week.
I'm aware politics means you can't be that blunt. But the pay deal is due NOW not in 6 months or more. The Union should be further down the road of discussion on this matter as this date has been coming for 2 years.
Really bad to see the Union mentioning pay freeze right at the start of negotiations.

[k979aaa]

I would be happy with a 35 hour week F/T No pay rise, 30 min MR, and scrapping of D2D payments and allowing them to increase em to 5 but they put em together so we only had to slot em. and of course RM had to make up those part timers to 35 hours if they wished it to make up the hours! This would of course mean RM scrapping their plans to force F/T to P/T positions of 20 hours or so.

Agreed but it ain't me you have too convince but wise words how many years do you think this could be achieved over?.

[joe379]

Lets face it, the job is a load of s@*t now, have done it for nearly 20 year, ashamed to say it. Like most postman i have spoken too, i just want a nice pay off and leave this sinking ship. The union couldn't care less about us. They fight redundancies on the basis that one lost job is one less member and one less subscription each week. That is why they are prepared to accept nearly anything, as i said before, they won't have to do a massive delivery so don't care. When they are collecting their untouched paid for by us pensions, we will be collecting our half stolen ones, with bsd backs, knees, piles and other wear and tear. Power corrupts, ward and Hayes are perfect examples. The only way to change it is mass resignations.

[DGP1]

Lets face it, the job is a load of s@*t now, have done it for nearly 20 year, ashamed to say it. Like most postman i have spoken too, i just want a nice pay off and leave this sinking ship. The union couldn't care less about us. They fight redundancies on the basis that one lost job is one less member and one less subscription each week. That is why they are prepared to accept nearly anything, as i said before, they won't have to do a massive delivery so don't care. When they are collecting their untouched paid for by us pensions, we will be collecting our half stolen ones, with bsd backs, knees, piles and other wear and tear. Power corrupts, ward and Hayes are perfect examples. The only way to change it is mass resignations.

I'm not too sure how you do your deliveries but I sure hope I don't have to suffer from them (TBH we've been shafted so often that piles couldn't grow ).

[wranglered]

Lets face it, the job is a load of s@*t now, have done it for nearly 20 year, ashamed to say it. Like most postman i have spoken too, i just want a nice pay off and leave this sinking ship. The union couldn't care less about us. They fight redundancies on the basis that one lost job is one less member and one less subscription each week. That is why they are prepared to accept nearly anything, as i said before, they won't have to do a massive delivery so don't care. When they are collecting their untouched paid for by us pensions, we will be collecting our half stolen ones, with bsd backs, knees, piles and other wear and tear. Power corrupts, ward and Hayes are perfect examples. The only way to change it is mass resignations.

Very well said...particularly like the bit about fighting redundancies on the basis of single losses...I reckon the head in the sand/we are all ok in HQ attitude will eventually lead to mass resignations and the end of the CWU...get your pay off this year Joe, 'cos from what I have heard the MTSF is out the window from next year...no big lump sums no more....

[Caveman]

Okay, what have you guys (it is, mostly guys) done about it? Stood as a rep, put motions to your branch to chang policy at conference, argued with your colleagues to stop cutting corners? The union is the membership, what are we doing as activists to hold the leadership accountable and get the members up for taking on RM when they come for us with the Governments backing? Are you putting motions to your branch or committee how delegates shouold vote on motions at conferece when the pad is published? (It's too late to put in non-emergency motions).

[Big Daz]

Well myself and wranglered have both been IR reps, wranglered has stood for branch secretary recently but lost out to the deputy branch secretary, Im a branch political officer sitting on the branch committee so yes we have and are doing something other than just letting off steam on RMC!

[scottyb]

deliverys longer than 3.5 hour, maybe coming back to the office and taking out another few bags, sounds like a 2nd delivery to me. did they not do away with a 2nd delivery years ago.
jonnyp another yes man i see what flavor is it today
for the last few years this union has let the membership down, all fuxxing yes men just to keep a seat on the never ending gravy train that they ride on paid for by the members.
its time for a change lets get people elected who have a pair. the current bunch of twats we have couldnt steal sweets of a baby never mind say no to the bullying employer rm.
pk report wiped my butt on it, all talk and words and now full of crap.

power to the people that want to derail the gravy train.

[wranglered]

Well myself and wranglered have both been IR reps, wranglered has stood for branch secretary recently but lost out to the deputy branch secretary, Im a branch political officer sitting on the branch committee so yes we have and are doing something other than just letting off steam on RMC!

Yeahh we are trying....but these parasites take some shifting....unfortunately it will all be too late.....scotty b, I am doing my best over the gravy train...been sacked for my efforts but have used the NDC to some effect and also been, and will be going again, to the Certification Officer....had a lot of useful help from your side of the pond too!

What I think we need to appreciate is that this forum does have those that really care bringing issues to light...every time I get hounded for posting material tells me it is hitting the mark....every time I hear union officials slagging off this site I know it is hitting the mark...

...the CWU is imploding..we will be starting afresh at some point soon..............

[k979aaa]

Well myself and wranglered have both been IR reps, wranglered has stood for branch secretary recently but lost out to the deputy branch secretary, Im a branch political officer sitting on the branch committee so yes we have and are doing something other than just letting off steam on RMC!

Yeahh we are trying....but these parasites take some shifting....unfortunately it will all be too late.....scotty b, I am doing my best over the gravy train...been sacked for my efforts but have used the NDC to some effect and also been, and will be going again, to the Certification Officer....had a lot of useful help from your side of the pond too!

What I think we need to appreciate is that this forum does have those that really care bringing issues to light...every time I get hounded for posting material tells me it is hitting the mark....every time I hear union officials slagging off this site I know it is hitting the mark...

...the CWU is imploding..we will be starting afresh at some point soon..............

It is time this union OUR UNION got back too basics LOOK AFTER THE MEMBER'S OF THIS UNION NOTHING MORE NOR LESS WILL DO!. but we value your input on this site wranglered and Big daz all though not a rep myself i value those who do this most important job for us all and only a few like johnson and his ilk who have devalued this most important position in many of the members eyes!. keep up the good work.

[robd]

Does anyone know if there is anything in writing to say we should not agree
to any savings proposals,as advised by CWU HQ.
we appreciate,rather than have to trawl through every post.
cheers.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The March 2009 Pec report says

- Until such time as Royal Mail honour existing National Agreements, accept that major change must be negotiated and reach agreements on the next phase of modernisation, we are instructing all Branches not to engage in revisions or savings initiatives.

and I have moved this post into that thread so its easier to find.

[Fluke]

Can somebody post up the latest LTB that tells us not to engage with RM on local savings or budgets? Thanks

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The March 2009 Pec report says

- Until such time as Royal Mail honour existing National Agreements, accept that major change must be negotiated and reach agreements on the next phase of modernisation, we are instructing all Branches not to engage in revisions or savings initiatives.

and I have moved this post into that thread so its easier to find.