I'm Voting NO to strike action.

side_door · Post by **side_door** » 27 May 2007, 09:57

What would you rather have,a well paid job or no job at all

I don't understand your problem here.

If you are willing to work for any amount of wages under any conditions surely you will have no problem finding another job.

The problem is that if you want decent wages and fair working conditions.

There is only one way to get these things -- you have to fight for them!

motley · Post by **motley** » 27 May 2007, 11:39

Sorry about that kawasakikid,beer took hold of me last night.I now realise what is going on here.All you guys have a lot more experience than me with regards Royal Mails attitudes and policies.Sorry all you guys,i'll just shut up and listen.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 27 May 2007, 11:44

motley wrote:Sorry all you guys,i'll just shut up and listen.

Please don't you may be in a minority but your views are as valid as the rest. Please post often as this type of board works well when different opinions are posted.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 27 May 2007, 11:56

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
motley wrote:Sorry all you guys,i'll just shut up and listen.
Please don't you may be in a minority but your views are as valid as the rest. Please post often as this type of board works well when different opinions are posted.

Yes,and in all fairness if people are willing to vote 'no' then it's interesting as to know why they would.

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 27 May 2007, 12:07

andycprice wrote:That's a good point dinho.

I agree with dinho, andy. If you can't see past your own personal grievances with the union, and completely
disregard the overall bigger picture , then if you haven't already cut your nose off to spite your face , don't vote at all.

It's not what I'd call the perfect solution, because a massive YES vote would really take the wind out of Leighton's sails,
but at least by not putting your x in the "no" box, you won't be accused by those two cretins of expressly giving your consent to their disastrous
plans for us all.

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 27 May 2007, 12:23

motley wrote:Sorry about that kawasakikid,beer took hold of me last night.I now realise what is going on here.All you guys have a lot more experience than me with regards Royal Mails attitudes and policies.Sorry all you guys,i'll just shut up and listen.

Good on yer for that admission, motley. I take it you haven't voted yet then ? The argument I will put forward,
as to why you should vote YES , is to put it in a nutshell, this , a massive YES vote will almost certainly protect your job, your pay,
your terms and conditions of work , and could go a long way in seeing Leighton & Crozier being either removed from their positions by
the government, or they go of their own validity because they'll have less scope to asset strip our industry.

As for customers taking their business elsewhere, POSTMAN has already quite accurately pointed out that it's been happening for a while
now, even without a sniff of industrial action , and with our supposed very high levels of quality.

All in all , it's not rocket science , motley. If you want to keep what you've got , FIGHT ! VOTE YES.

andycprice · Post by **andycprice** » 27 May 2007, 19:32

I posted this on here to encourage a debate as I have explained before. I have not yet voted and may take the advice of not voting at all. What made me laugh today was that some absolute moron e.mailed me this......

you dont fool me dickhead. i bet your a manager not a rep.never heard of your office and if your for real who is your branch sec.what a sad little man you are,go ahead and cross the pickets the masses will prevail in the end and your mate leighton will run off into the sewers like the rat he is!

This was sent from an imbecile called[edited by POSTMAN] I'd like to point out that its "You're" not "your" (bad grammer), my office bitterne manor does exist, my branch secretary is Ray Pearce, Leighton isn't my mate.

Very moronic individual and was that the intention of this "Royal Mail Chat" forum, to allow cyber bullying?

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 27 May 2007, 20:02

andycprice wrote:I posted this on here to encourage a debate as I have explained before. I have not yet voted and may take the advice of not voting at all. What made me laugh today was that some absolute moron e.mailed me this......

you dont fool me dickhead. i bet your a manager not a rep.never heard of your office and if your for real who is your branch sec.what a sad little man you are,go ahead and cross the pickets the masses will prevail in the end and your mate leighton will run off into the sewers like the rat he is!

This was sent from an imbecile called I'd like to point out that its "You're" not "your" (bad grammer), my office bitterne manor does exist, my branch secretary is Ray Pearce, Leighton isn't my mate.

Very moronic individual and was that the intention of this "Royal Mail Chat" forum, to allow cyber bullying?

Thats slander on Andys good name!

Why is this individual flying beneath the radar?

How many of you have heard of st neots deilvery office i work? Not many i expect Yet its the largest town in cambridgeshire

If every sinle DO was to be put in front of us i wouldnt reconize every one!

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 27 May 2007, 20:08

J walsh you are rather silly

Check out CWU website link http://www.cwu.org/default.asp?Step=4&pid=575 were it says

Walk Sequencing
The Union has agreed to a trial of walk sequencing at Bitterne Manor Delivery Office in Southampton. (Link to Terms of Reference)

The objective of the trial is to identify the potential consequence of introducing postcode sequenced Mail and walk sequenced mail into Delivery Offices.

The trial will look at all aspects such as Health and Safety, operational issues, practical problems, work measurement etc.

The trial is expected to run for 3 months with regular national and local reviews.

Consideration is already being given to testing walk sequencing machines in Delivery Offices at a later date.

This took all of 60 seconds to find searching the internet for royal mail Bitterne Manor so why didnt J Walsh do this?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 27 May 2007, 20:16

As one of the Moderators I have to say in my opinion this is totally unacceptable. It is ok to disagree on this forum but emailing someone with this type of intimidation is not on. It is childish and crass. If you don't agree with someone's opinion then write a rebuttal, but don't adopt the bully boy tactics that Crozier and Leighton may do.

It may also break the agreement you accepted when you joined this board.

Whoever you are I cannot and will not condone such behaviour, and you have damaged your side of the discussion and strength of your position in doing such a stupid thing.

andycprice · Post by **andycprice** » 27 May 2007, 20:31

I agree. If you don't agree with me tell me don't e.mail me. (although I did e.mail back as good as I got)

This was supposed to be a debate, due to comments made here I've decided not to vote at all now (better than a no vote).

I would vote yes to strike action but I'm still too bitter about they way I've been treated by this union.

Debate works, threats don't.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 27 May 2007, 20:58

I think TBT says it all,also.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion then write a rebuttal

Just a couple of things.
Abuse ect and the like by PM's is 100% not on.
With regards to e-mails,if your e-mail is showing on the board and i know Andys is then it's the same as the above.
That's standard on message boards all over so we're no different here,regardless whether it's a screw or someone with different views.
I'll contact the sender and have a word.
It's been a good debate so far and has been done in a grown up way,shame it's been spoilt.
I'm also going to update this in the rules.

fedup postie · Post by **fedup postie** » 27 May 2007, 20:58

Glad to hear the sensible approach Andy even if you have decided not to vote Yes at least you have the sense not to vote No. As with regards the Email, I agree with the Admin, it should not have been sent, this forum is a place where we as postmen and Women can stand together, have discussions and sometimes arguments but leave the bully tactics to the employer.

andycprice · Post by **andycprice** » 27 May 2007, 21:08

It's down to this debate I'm now abstaining. Without this debate I was a definte no vote. Slagging each other off kills the debate and any constructive criticism.

Good luck to all and I hope you win.

fedup postie · Post by **fedup postie** » 27 May 2007, 22:12

andycprice wrote:It's down to this debate I'm now abstaining. Without this debate I was a definte no vote.

Which is why this forum is such a great thing to have. Without it people can feel alone and isolated but like you say, with this debate, you have had chance to see some side to the argument you may not necessarily thought of.

andycprice wrote:Slagging each other off kills the debate and any constructive criticism.

Good luck to all and I hope you win.

Couldnt agree more.