One wave

[A2B]

How much of an effect would one wave have on start times for delivery offices attached to mail centres?

I may be wrong but isn't their mail the last to be run?

[Martin Walsh]

Employment law is stacked against workers and unions in the UK. The law sees it as workers one minute working in one way ie coming in early etc and than the next a unit all starts on time ! Withdrawal of good will and changes to normal working can be clashed as unofficial action and there is a lot of case law on it.

In terms of action lots of people think working to rule is a great tactic. Most of these have never experienced Royal Mail suddenly taking a few people of pay meaning the others in the office have a choice walk out unofficially or leave the individuals who have been taken off pay on their own. I have seen this time after time with Royal Mail.

There is even case law if you take part action ie you strike half way through your duty than the law says the employer can take a whole day's pay. The CWU challenge that in law but the law is an ass.

The reality is that strike action is the only voice Royal Mail listen too. The tories are even trying to make via the Trade Union Bill even that harder.

The question of what impact does those delivery offices attach to Mail centres the modelling of the 8 Mail centres and their inward offices show they are impacted in a similar manner to those not attached as clearly they too would have one wave and the one wave could not start on the CSS until all the Mail due to be delivered has arrived from the furthest Mail centre away.

[SpacePhoenix]

How much of an effect would one wave have on start times for delivery offices attached to mail centres?

I may be wrong but isn't their mail the last to be run?

Yep, the further away a DO is from a MC the earlier their batches get run. If you list all DOs covered by a MC in order of distance from the MC, starting with the furthest away, that's basically the order they get done in

[franco1]

Answer to lapsing/absorbtion = "Absorb these nuts"!!!

[Glenno]

Answer to lapsing/absorbtion = "Absorb these nuts"!!!

No thanks i've already grown a pair

[postslippete]

Walk Sequencing Machines were primarily designed to reduce the number of indoor sorters. If your Delivery Office is close to the MC then generally the chances are you get your mech last.

So why not compromise and just run One wave on the batches that get sent out first and leave the last of the batches to be sent out to the Delivery Offices unsorted? All our section really needs is one extra efficient walk-sorter and we can sort the mail ourselves, just like we used to. And If we did this then we can adjust everyone's start times to come in over an hour earlier.

One Wave of mail whilst it sounds good is just not going to work very efficiently in practice; especially if the guys on WSM are now having to sort extra batches. Its not good logistics if one Delivery Office is getting all their Mech at 9am whilst another don't get theirs until 10.30am. Not every Royal Mail office is the same. Whilst on the subject of annualised hours, reduced working week etc to save hours. There are other ways like having staff work a rotational 4 days a week instead of 5, for example. But Royal Mail's strategy of forcing square pegs into round holes to cut down on costs may well lead to more problems in future. The rounds at our depot are already big and we daily struggle to get them delivered because a few simply want to work their hours. So as someone mentioned, I can't imagine many posties wanting to work past 4pm. Imagine a few posties leaving behind their lapse because they don't want to work past their time. The boss would be having a panic attack on the number of failed deliveries!! And its also very bad customer service. Don't we get fined by OfCom as well if we don't meet certain performance targets like having 94% of 1st class letters delivered next day? More reason to keep the USO methinks.

[bandit1157]

[In The Know]

One wave goodbye Royal Fail

[Hitcher]

Annualised hours could be great. Do a heck of a lot of OT in the comfy spring and summer months then come mid November say, 'I've done me hours for the year now boss. See you in January...'

Yeah just like those on 20 hour contracts who do 6-7 hour duties and have done their weeks work in 3 days and then take the rest of the week off.

[wannabeek]

Well that's a totally different scenario isn't it? Anybody who wants OT, good luck to them. However, if anyone doesn't want to work over their contracted hrs then why shouldn't they go home after the 20 hrs (or whatever) is up? Are they forced into OT on those 20 hrs, that'd be concerning if so.

[k979aaa]

Well that's a totally different scenario isn't it? Anybody who wants OT, good luck to them. However, if anyone doesn't want to work over their contracted hrs then why shouldn't they go home after the 20 hrs (or whatever) is up? Are they forced into OT on those 20 hrs, that'd be concerning if so.

Most of them don't have a full contract yet but will be told if you don't do this and that why should we renew your temporary contract.

[Tman]

Annualised hours would be great if 1) you never ever wanted any overtime ever again, 2) you wanted to work really long days all through December for no extra, 3) you didn't mind being informed that "as from next week you're on long days to cover sickness, and you can take off the excess hours later in the year sometime.." and 4) you don't mind being told that you can have the second week in February off to clear some hours.

[fishtank]

Annualised hours would be great if 1) you never ever wanted any overtime ever again, 2) you wanted to work really long days all through December for no extra, 3) you didn't mind being informed that "as from next week you're on long days to cover sickness, and you can take off the excess hours later in the year sometime.." and 4) you don't mind being told that you can have the second week in February off to clear some hours.

And of course 5) you don't mind being told at the end of the first week in February that due to unforseen circumstances the second week of February is no longer available so we'll just have to " work something out later".

[hans solo]

the cwu s**t on its members last time im afraid their f****d this time round because whatever they ask support for i will not back their getting their s**t back

[slinder123]

listen to sense we are a private company we do as we are told union does help now and again but they are only about as much help as two sheets of toilet paper when your in dire needs so just ride the wave of private working you get a decent wage just do as you are told