Clocking In

[leolion855]

I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one

Typical scaremongering by the union, They are not going to dock for standing at a customers door for 2 minutes. If your having a half hour unauthorized break on the other hand..

[scoobydo79]

how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time

Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

I doubt it.All that’s gonna happen is You work for free for two hours then go home at 2pm or have two hours pay reduced

[leolion855]

how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time

Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

I doubt it.All that’s gonna happen is You work for free for two hours then go home at 2pm or have two hours pay reduced

ffs, if theres a record that youve been a work for x amount of time you will get paid for it, its against the bloody law to make people work for free in the uk. All youd have to do is show the record of your clocking in and out times to a solicitor and if the pay was wrong rm would be forced to cough up by the courts.

Stop worrying and scaremongering everyone, ive working in umpteen different factories where you clock in and out its pretty normal stuff for 90% of the country.

[clashcityrocker]

ffs, if theres a record that youve been a work for x amount of time you will get paid for it, its against the bloody law to make people work for free in the uk. All youd have to do is show the record of your clocking in and out times to a solicitor and if the pay was wrong rm would be forced to cough up by the courts.

So in theory we could all turn up 6 hours early for work, not do anything as no work would have arrived but because the clocking in machine said we were there the courts would force RM to pay us?
Somehow I don't think so.
Or you could turn up 6 hours early, work your contracted 5 hours and then go home an hour before you were due to start.
Bring it on.

[Ali831]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

[leolion855]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

THANKYOU, a sensible person at last

[citypostie]

I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one

Typical scaremongering by the union, They are not going to dock for standing at a customers door for 2 minutes. If your having a half hour unauthorized break on the other hand..

I think that's what he was getting at, any dots more than say 5 minutes would be added up , if they are more than say your 20 minute meal relief that time would be classed as not worked, probably a load of rubbish but you never know. Amazon do the same sort of thing in their warehouses don't they? I'm sure I saw it mentioned that if they take too long in the toilet it gets flagged to a manger to be asked about or if they go too many times during a shift

[Rumple]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

THANKYOU, a sensible person at last

And if the manager does not authorise the o/t because you wasn't asked to come in early. Posties are not on flexi-time.
You will be expected to work to your finish time. (No dancing bananas here)

[leolion855]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

THANKYOU, a sensible person at last

And if the manager does not authorise the o/t because you wasn't asked to come in early. Posties are not on flexi-time.
You will be expected to work to your finish time. (No dancing bananas here)

what about the 30min flex that we get asked to work?

[Beancounter]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

Standard practice in many workplaces.

I also had a job where you were docked 30 mins pay if you left even a minute early. Same if you were late.

Like everything else at RM if you are doing things properly there won’t be anything to worry about.

[Ali831]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

THANKYOU, a sensible person at last

And if the manager does not authorise the o/t because you wasn't asked to come in early. Posties are not on flexi-time.
You will be expected to work to your finish time. (No dancing bananas here)

There wouldn't be any overtime to pay unless it was authorised before hand. Staff at her company are not on flexi either, they can't come & go as they please but the flagging up prevents anyone thinking they can get away with clocking early/late just because they hope to get ovetime etc. However, clocking should help a manager confirm what hours were actually worked. I have regular problems getting the correct authorised overtime paid,between the manager asking me to do overtime & it getting paid it seems to disappear! So I for one hope clocking backs me up when I have to chase payment again.

[Rumple]

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

THANKYOU, a sensible person at last

And if the manager does not authorise the o/t because you wasn't asked to come in early. Posties are not on flexi-time.
You will be expected to work to your finish time. (No dancing bananas here)

what about the 30min flex that we get asked to work?

Totally different subject to coming in early in the hope you can go early.

[Zicomurphy]

I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one

Pretty much how I see it. I can see the plan being to introduce clocking in and out, performance standards and banking of hours or annualised hours all at the same time. That will be the only way to ensure they get what they want which is everyone working all hours they are paid for.

[Sugar]

That will be the only way to ensure they get what they want which is everyone working all hours they are paid for.

And this is why we are in the mess we are because "working all your paid hours" only seemed to apply to anyone who, for whatever reason, couldn't complete their delivery yet you never saw anyone getting performance tested for going over nearly everyday.

Poor management, runners and corner cutters have ruined the job and left senior managers with a ton of inaccurate data.

[Newbie001]

I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one

So they would want to dock your pay because a yellow dot has appeared on your PDA actuals. That could happen because you are waiting for someone to answer the door when delivering a parcel/recorded etc. Or will we be given a set time to wait before moving on. "Sorry mate you can't have your item now because you have exceeded the allowed door knocking waiting time, just follow the instructions on the 739 card, bye"

Wouldnt be allowed. If my memory serves me correctly Macdonalds and I think Costa or similar got into serious trouble for "stopping the clock". At quiet times staff were being asked to go sit down. A 6hr shift could last 8hrs.
Pretty sure it was outlawed.
Yellow dots will only ever flag up potential performance/duty issues. Down to manager to investigate reasons why.