2pints wrote:I take 10 mins before leaving and 20 at end of shift.You can split 30 mins.
if you have a 30 minute break and you shift is of at least 6 hours then the 20 minutes must not be at the end of the shift to comply with the working time regulations
if taking a break/part of break at the end of the the shift rather than during it when its supposed to be taken then quite rightly it can be said that you were at a greater chance of fatigue and thus a greater chance of accident and if have done this it can be a contributing factor in an accident
SSkUNkY wrote:The majority of people I have worked with take their meal relief at the end of their shift so in essence they can leave 30mins early.
30mins paid meal relief entitlement is for OPGs who work for 5 to 6hrs59mins on a shift (this can increase due to overtime, it is not based simply on contract hours).
At hitting 7 hours, 40mins paid meal relief is due.
If you expect to work at least 7 hours, the standard break split is 20mins indoor and 20mins outdoor.
IIRC the national agreement states you can leave work 20mins early, if you have not taken your outdoor 20mins break, or you can add 20mins to your overtime claim. But you must take your indoor 20mins break.
Now having written the above, my depot has a number of OPGs that ask to work straight through and finish 40mins early, especially on Saturdays. We even have some that work through, but if they finish less than 40mins early, they don't claim the overtime!
Personally, I think you have a reasonable case for discrimination. If you have to stay in the depot to take your indoor meal relief, so should all other OPGs. Ask the lino to ring all the OPGs he/she has let go home, demanding they all travel back to the depot to take their indoor meal relief.
Are you 100% sure regarding the shift times? I always thought it was 7 hours 1 minute the shift had to be for 40 minutes entitlement. Just asking because my shift is 7 hours exactly on a couple of days for which I have only been taking 30 minutes. The shifts that are over 7 hours (Monday and Thursday) I obviously take the full 40.
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How am i supposed to take 20 mins break when on delivery with a park and loop partner? He/she would be held up for those 20 mins.Unless both of you agree to taking the break it is just not possible witout upsetting someone.Whatever it says on the "rules" that is the plain truth.And i only work 6 hours so fatigue is not an issue,i only work 5 hours max on delivery,usually 4.
2pints wrote:How am i supposed to take 20 mins break when on delivery with a park and loop partner? He/she would be held up for those 20 mins.Unless both of you agree to taking the break it is just not possible witout upsetting someone.Whatever it says on the "rules" that is the plain truth.And i only work 6 hours so fatigue is not an issue,i only work 5 hours max on delivery,usually 4.
If you want to take your break and your partner dose not give him / her 20 mins extra work. Then back at the do partner goes home and you stay..
All this bollox 'should' of been sorted during the revision process!
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
This is 1 of the biggest problems with P&L. Colleagues partnered with folks on different shift lengths which makes harmonising meal relief times problematic. For example, a full timer partnered with a colleague on a 28 hour contract starting at 08:30 goes to take his/ her 40 minute MR at 09:05 (for example). Duties are pulled out and van is fully loaded. Part time colleague has only been at work for 35 minutes, but is then expected to take their MR entitlement at this point since there is no work for them to do. Of course they could approach management and request some work to do during this period (help out in callers etc.) and then intend to take MR later in the day.... the problem being, that later on they would be having a 30 minute MR yet the full time colleague has already had his full MR entitlement.
It is something that really should have been looked at properly so that nobody was forced (perhaps inadvertently) in to skipping their entitled MR.
2pints wrote:How am i supposed to take 20 mins break when on delivery with a park and loop partner? He/she would be held up for those 20 mins.Unless both of you agree to taking the break it is just not possible witout upsetting someone.Whatever it says on the "rules" that is the plain truth.And i only work 6 hours so fatigue is not an issue,i only work 5 hours max on delivery,usually 4.
Why would the other postie be upset? They are still only going to have to work to their finish time at the end of the day and if they are a non driver then it's potentially an extra break for them as well
Fatigue is an issue you may feel it's not as your only working for 5 hours max on delivery and feel you can cope with that fine, but from experience funnily enough most accidents from slips trips or falls seem to occur towards the end of runs (most not all) and most mistakes seem to take place there as well mis deliveries etc as fatigue starts to set in the first thing to start to reduce is concentration
