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Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

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BernardBresslaw
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Re: Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

Post by BernardBresslaw »

dingo wrote:
Of course Royal Mail like most big companies like the AA want seasonal hours annualised hours. As you have been discussing on here traffic is lower in a number of times in the year. So Royal Mail would like people to work more hours in the busier period and less in the lower traffic periods. They want more flexibility .
So what you are saying is RM want a return to the old days, where with job and finish, you could bugger off home two hours early during the summer, as long as you stayed and helped out during the busier periods? What happens in the real world, is during those quieter summer months, we all lapse rounds to fill our time (which is perfectly fine) yet when the busy times roll around, when you turn around and tell your manager 'hey boss, I just want to work my hours, like I have all year round' you get bullied or labelled as a trouble maker.

If lapsing is to be a continual part of the new agreement, you can't have annualised hours anyway. It's either one or the other.
chrisj
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Re: Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

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It will be nice if the annualised/seasonal hours proposal is actually well explained... As I see it, it virtually impossible to implement with people already on contracts. And RM delivering mail under the USO is in no way similar to call centre workers or AA engineers dealing with breakdowns and the rest.

At the end of the day, RM themselves willingly to offered us 3 years T&C protection.

I just don't get the threat or the relevance!

* I do not think it is as clear as finish and go. It will be more like finish and go and get paid just for the hours that you work but then expect people to go on 6+ hours delivery when it is really busy. The organisation and logistics of this and the change in culture will virtually cripple the business.
chrisj
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Re: Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

Post by chrisj »

fishtank wrote:Annualised or seasonal hours would most likely mean something simple like working 6 weeks at 38 hrs in the summer when the traffic is low and 6 weeks at 40 hrs during the peak period.
Anything more complicated than that would just get silly and unworkable.

I'm sure they would also like some form of banking overtime(and undertime) but that's a different conversation.
I should have read your response first before posting mine - I just went for the last post of Bernard...

Yes, it will be silly and messy. I also thought about banking hours...
BernardBresslaw
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Re: Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

Post by BernardBresslaw »

Yes, sorry I missed that post too!

Either way, I think it is unworkable, as even now, there are people in our office who finish early then park up or bugger off home, or go fishing, till their finish time. Hopefully proper tracking in the vans will put a stop to this, as it would save Royal Mail a lot of money.
fishtank
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Re: Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

Post by fishtank »

BernardBresslaw wrote:Hopefully proper tracking in the vans will put a stop to this, as it would save Royal Mail a lot of money.
Like all of Royal Mail's plans for resourcing to demand,banking hours,annualised hours it all falls flat because they try to put the cart before the horse.
The horse is robust control measures to log actual start and finish times which is why they are thinking about using PDAs.
I can't see it happening though because some areas have more to hide than others and they will do all they can to stop this happening.
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justdeno
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Re: Workers Power Bulletin - Vote No to the Deal

Post by justdeno »

Well in my office, even in the summer(after a failed revision) we are lucky to clear our duties. Now we cut off as we can't cope. So how would this work? RM would have to think this one better. Even now we are now having more properties built so will only get worse. We need more staff, hahahaha.