My view of the joint statement

[Himaggen]

So all we appear to have been offered is a defined improvement on the three year deal, (1.) and a possible improvement on their offer (2.).

1. Which aspect of the above was not agreed at the end of last weeks talks?
2. Which aspect of yesterdays talks was a sufficient enough improvement to be considered worthy of postponing the IA?

[stephen500]

Great post and puts the time element (review) in an even better light.

[Sbutts8182]

Would you mind if I printed this off and put it on our union wall?

[fishtank]

No deal agreed as yet so why postpone the strike at all?

I can't imagine why you would expect Royal Mail to engage in meaningful negotiations while we were actually striking.
If Royal Mail were running a campaign of executive action would we sit across the table from them?
The first condition of any negotiations is always that both sides cease any hostile action.

[cloherty1976]

No deal agreed as yet so why postpone the strike at all?

I can't imagine why you would expect Royal Mail to engage in meaningful negotiations while we were actually striking.
If Royal Mail were running a campaign of executive action would we sit across the table from them?
The first condition of any negotiations is always that both sides cease any hostile action.

Yes but this is after 6 months. A lot of people will be thinking this.

[fishtank]

Yes but this is after 6 months. A lot of people will be thinking this.

Are you now suddenly pro-strike?
You do like to play games cloherty.
Six months ago there was nothing on the table bar a couple of coffee stains and a stale packet of Custard Creams.
It took the consultative ballot to move Royal Mail enough to propose an agreement and an Industrial Action ballot to move them forward again to the point that they are at least willing to talk our language.
Moving the final mile is always done under a flag of truce but it's still a ceasefire that can be called off at a minute's notice if necessary.

[dvbuk55]

The first condition of any negotiations is always that both sides cease any hostile action.

Bullying, harassment, withholding overtime payments, no payment for revisions, unscheduled lapsing, reneging on the 75/25 split workforce, impossible workloads but we're sitting at the table or is that not classed as hostile action

[cloherty1976]

Yes but this is after 6 months. A lot of people will be thinking this.

Are you now suddenly pro-strike?
You do like to play games cloherty.
Six months ago there was nothing on the table bar a couple of coffee stains and a stale packet of Custard Creams.
It took the consultative ballot to move Royal Mail enough to propose an agreement and an Industrial Action ballot to move them forward again to the point that they are at least willing to talk our language.
Moving the final mile is always done under a flag of truce but it's still a ceasefire that can be called off at a minute's notice if necessary.

Yes you are more intellectual than me and I am a simple postie but you only put one side to this. It seems that in your eyes the union have done Royal Mail over. To me I think it's a bit of both and I have said many a time before 2 winners and 1 loser in this. As I said yesterday I am happy just get it sorted and I would have taken the previous deal. It does not make any difference to me. Also I did say a week ago you new something you denied this. Fair enough. What ever the outcome just when the deal happens which it will and you get your lump sum just be happy with it and let's get on with the job..

[knoxycube]

Very interesting . I would like more of your thoughts on the charter and also how you would adjust the current USO and regulatory framework. What would it look like in the private market?

[patio1]

the word on the street is that rm can change the uso to a five day week in no time at all. therefore we are looking at 1 in five job losses and also if you work your day off in the week there will be no o/t days off . we r all doomed just go with the flow. the union reps bring all the good news .NOT.
p,s I hope he was wrong.

[bunkerland]

As I said yesterday I am happy just get it sorted and I would have taken the previous deal. It does not make any difference to me.

Why does it not make any difference to you? Do you not work for Royal Mail?

[cloherty1976]

As I said yesterday I am happy just get it sorted and I would have taken the previous deal. It does not make any difference to me.

Why does it not make any difference to you? Do you not work for Royal Mail?

I say it does not make a difference to me because I was happy with the 8% payrise and if things change I will leave the business for a new challenge. Already training for a different career if things change which I do not like. When I started this job I did not see it as a job for life but have enjoyed it and the pay is good so I have stayed . I do have have other investments which I have built up through hard work and thank Royal Mail for having such varied shifts which enabled me to do these.

[dvbuk55]

As I said yesterday I am happy just get it sorted and I would have taken the previous deal. It does not make any difference to me.

Why does it not make any difference to you? Do you not work for Royal Mail?

I say it does not make a difference to me because I was happy with the 8% payrise and if things change I will leave the business for a new challenge. Already training for a different career if things change which I do not like. When I started this job I did not see it as a job for life but have enjoyed it and the pay is good so I have stayed . I do have have other investments which I have built up through hard work and thank Royal Mail for having such varied shifts which enabled me to do these.

We are not worthy

[daveyeff]

the word on the street is that rm can change the uso to a five day week in no time at all. therefore we are looking at 1 in five job losses and also if you work your day off in the week there will be no o/t days off . we r all doomed just go with the flow. the union reps bring all the good news .NOT.
p,s I hope he was wrong.

warraaaal dooooomd.

[daveyeff]

As I said yesterday I am happy just get it sorted and I would have taken the previous deal. It does not make any difference to me.

Why does it not make any difference to you? Do you not work for Royal Mail?

I say it does not make a difference to me because I was happy with the 8% payrise and if things change I will leave the business for a new challenge. Already training for a different career if things change which I do not like. When I started this job I did not see it as a job for life but have enjoyed it and the pay is good so I have stayed . I do have have other investments which I have built up through hard work and thank Royal Mail for having such varied shifts which enabled me to do these.

We are not worthy

ive no doubt dvb, that all these people that were happy with the royal mail deal, and were prepared to work and not support the union, will NOT take the improved pay offer, and the extended protection of t&cs. and are quite happy to be out of a job when the hatchet eventually does come down on them. they are grateful to have a job and will not bat an eyelid when pay goes down to minimum wage, and their pensions are further plundered.