So what will a strike actually do?

[cjp]

Don't underestimate the resolve of the people in your office we've just done 17 days strike and 6 months work to rule so far and they are more than ready for a lot more if thats what it takes!!
Your other option is to become slave labour and do exactly as management tell you regardless of whether or not it is right or fair.
SLAVERY WAS ABOLISHED BUT RM and MANY OTHER WORKPLACES ARE BRINGING IT BACK not with whips but with finacial and intimidating threats. The rich at the top taking all the money and the real workers who earn it all getting only the bare minimum needed to live so that we can turn up for work the next day to line more of their coffers.
AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO GET A FAIR DEAL WITH IMPROVED WORK CONDITIONS AND PAY

[DirtyHarry]

No chance of that 'work to rule' happening here like, it would put more work on most people haha!

Seriously tho DH, are you in it for the all out strike (months maybe) if it comes to that or are you clinging to the hope that a few days here and there will make them back down?

Even were it an all out strike lasting 3 months , I'd be out. What's the alteternative ? .......... An increased workload , lower pay,
a pension worth less than it is now, when I retire ? .......... Yes , if need be , I'd be out for as long as it takes.

Madsorter , you've got to try and understand that if, if we fail to find the strength and the will to face down once and for all, Alan Leighton & Adam Crozier , my job , your job , everyone's job , is going to go down the toilet at a rate of knots. What do you think
would happen if every postalworker took a leaf out of your book and said, "Al , Adam, I'm too weak to carry on fighting , I want to
live for today , and let tomorrow take care of itself", eh ? Let me tell you , you'd have made their year , and given consent for the
RM gravy train , provided by the sheer effort and hard work of all postalworkers , to chugg merrily along with not only those two
idiots aboard , but the other 498 clowns who help make up the top 500 overpaid and underworked RM management "team". You'd also
consent to becoming a member of Britain's growing army of "flexible" workers , and in RM's case, that means anytime , anywhere , and
for market rate pay............ If you go under , make sure it's not under a white flag of surrender , and if you go down , go down
fighting.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Even were it an all out strike lasting 3 months , I'd be out. What's the alternative ? .......... Redundancy ? ........... Lower pay ? ........ A more unmanageable workload ? ............ A pension worth less than it is now, when I retire ?

Madsorter , you've got to try and understand that if, if we fail to find the strength and the will to face down once and for all, Alan Leighton & Adam Crozier , my job , your job , everyone's job , is going to go down the toilet at a rate of knots. What do you think
would happen if every postalworker took a leaf out of your book and said, "Al , Adam, I'm too weak to carry on fighting , I want to
live for today , and let tomorrow take care of itself", eh ? Let me tell you , you'd have made their year , and given consent for the
RM gravy train , provided by the sheer effort and hard work of all postalworkers , to chugg merrily along with not only those two
idiots aboard , but the other 498 clowns who help make up the top 500 overpaid and underworked RM management "team". You'd also
consent to becoming a member of Britain's growing army of "flexible" workers , and in RM's case, that means anytime , anywhere , and
for market rate pay............ If you go under , make sure it's not under a white flag of surrender , and if you go down , go down
fighting.

Hear Hear.

[madsorter]

Good answers, im just asking if people are 100% committed and ready for an all outer thats all

[ROCKY]

i think it is down to each office,if there is strong union leadership then yes it will happen if not it will be hit and miss,i have noticed that those who do not strike/action etc in our office are some of the loudest complainers about things they dont like,but they like to keep the money plus reap any reward

[Big Daz]

Saving jobs

How many old timers would take early retiirement would leave if the deal was right?

Why dont RM get their automation in (its already paid for) then the DOM and union rep for every del office can sit down together and make a honest assement and if they are now top heavy on staff.

I suspect that process would produce less job reductions than RM would like.

[POSTMAN]

Good answers, im just asking if people are 100% committed and ready for an all outer thats all

Been said 100 times by Dave Ward:

' A strike will be the very last resort with minimum cost to CWU members
and maximum pressure to Royal Mail.'

So.........................

[vigilante]

CJP
You couldn't have put it any better.
Thats exactly what RM wants, slave labour with no rights!!
Won't be long that you'll have to pick a round and thats your set work with no overtime or cut off when your late
because of heavy mail etc.
It dosen't bare thinking about.
We can't let that pratt leighton, the arrogant git, do an 'asda' to us as a union.----no sick pay, no rights, team c**p working, colleague bullsh*t.
We can't let them take us back to victorian days which is where we are headed. Thanks Thatcher you b**tch. And lionel. lionel blair that is.

[madsorter]

Saving jobs

How many old timers would take early retiirement would leave if the deal was right?

Why dont RM get their automation in (its already paid for) then the DOM and union rep for every del office can sit down together and make a honest assement and if they are now top heavy on staff.

I suspect that process would produce less job reductions than RM would like.

great post , and definately the way forward imo, get the walksort machines in etc (they are coming lads get over it) and assess the situation from there by some good redundancy packages etc for the excess jobs (voluntary of course), or move to other posts in the business

[POSTMAN]

Walk sorting machies are not the super dooper things they claim to be.
There's a guy on here who trialed them.
BUT let them put them in then we'll see.
Anybody on here wann do (officially,by a national aggreement) 4,4-30,5 hr walks?
Bring on the ballot i say

[madsorter]

Good answers, im just asking if people are 100% committed and ready for an all outer thats all

Been said 100 times by Dave Ward:

' A strike will be the very last resort with minimum cost to CWU members
and maximum pressure to Royal Mail.'

So.........................

Hmm so what did we vote FOR? Thought the vote was FOR industrial action? The ballot paper said vote for a strike, the way i see it the only reason at all to bother with a ballot is if we are going to follow through with it definately and quickly, imo tho even tho im backing my decision and striking it out...... this will get MESSY. Two very stubborn sides going on here, the union are stronger and more united than ever in a cause, however i simpy dont see RM being bullied over this issue......BECAUSE..........wether i like it or not... wether U like it or not........i actually agree the business needs modernisation.

[POSTMAN]

Good answers, im just asking if people are 100% committed and ready for an all outer thats all

Been said 100 times by Dave Ward:

' A strike will be the very last resort with minimum cost to CWU members
and maximum pressure to Royal Mail.'

So.........................

Hmm so what did we vote FOR? Thought the vote was FOR industrial action? The ballot paper said vote for a strike, the way i see it the only reason at all to bother with a ballot is if we are going to follow through with it definately and quickly, imo tho even tho im backing my decision and striking it out...... this will get MESSY. Two very stubborn sides going on here, the union are stronger and more united than ever in a cause, however i simpy dont see RM being bullied over this issue......BECAUSE..........wether i like it or not... wether U like it or not........i actually agree the business needs modernisation.

We will strike,you can bet your bottom dollar we will,but like DW said above,not out and stay out.
Modernisation,unless the union are lieing they are up for it as well and had a plan WITH RM that RM have welched on.
RM are panicking because they've f****d up.
Chances are over the next coming weeks the strings will get less and less.
I can see us pehaps getting to the stage where there are strings but not as many and as bad as at 1st.
RM hit us with loads and have a bottom limit of what they want.
Both parties start at either end and meet somewhere in the middle.
Its just that this time RM have started so far away.

[madsorter]

i hope your right mate i really do, i hope im soooo wrong and rm do back down quickly!!!! Got some advice today in where you stand mortgage wise and bill wise when you strike for a long time lol. apparantly you can get them all froze for a while if its official action??? that true anyone know? Old bloke at work told me from when he did a 3 monther a long time ago

[POSTMAN]

Don't quote me on it though,i'm just rambling a bit.

[Tiza]

Just had a letter from messers Leighton and Crozier expect u have all received it this morning lol

Usual rubbish however one thing, " to be clear, the union has balloted for strike action - so under the law it can only ask u to take strike action, - not refuse overtime or work to rule."

Is that right? if so then I guess we strike unless they decide to re-negotiate which is doubtfull at pres