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Do I have to take an unpaid break if I'm part-time?

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Barnacle
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Re: Do I have to take an unpaid break if I'm part-time?

Post by Barnacle »

yellowbelly wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 16:39
Interesting write up from 2017 by Coodes Solicitors of Cornwall re an ET regarding rest breaks and I've enlarged a piece of text in the last paragraph.

https://coodes.co.uk/2017/01/staff-rest-breaks/
Is it up to employers or employees to enforce rest breaks in the workplace?

Most businesses know that employees who work for more than six hours are entitled a rest break of at least 20 consecutive minutes sometime during the working day. What is less clear is who is responsible for ensuring the break is taken. Is this down to the employee, or should the employer ensure it is provided?

A recent case

A recent case, involving a relief roadside controller on a bus service, put this issue under the spotlight. He had been working 8 and a half hours a day, with the understanding he would take half an hour’s unpaid rest break. However, he often found it difficult to take his break because of the nature of the work. His employer then emailed him stating that he should now work straight through for eight hours and finish work 30 minutes earlier. At a later date, the employee then raised a grievance claiming his employer had failed to give him statutory rest breaks.

What were the findings?

Interestingly, a tribunal found that the employee had not been denied his statutory right as he had never requested his breaks. The case went to the Employment Appeal Tribunal who held that in fact the employer has a duty to provide a worker with a statutory rest break. It does not need to be requested by the employee.

This case clearly shows that the onus is on employers to ensure rest breaks are provided during a working day of six hours or more. Of course, the reality is that some employees will choose to work through their breaks – and they can’t be forced to take them. If this happens they cannot demand additional pay or expect to be able to leave work earlier.

There are two important messages from this case. Firstly, make sure your working arrangements have provision for all staff working at least six hours to have a break. Secondly, breaks do not have to be paid.
So, let’s see if I have this right?: the shift is 7 hours. With an unpaid break it would be 7.5hrs?
But if the employee did not want to take a break, they can’t be forced to and can leave work after 7 hours and be paid for 7 hours?
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Re: Do I have to take an unpaid break if I'm part-time?

Post by clashcityrocker »

Barnacle wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 17:02

So, let’s see if I have this right?: the shift is 7 hours. With an unpaid break it would be 7.5hrs?
But if the employee did not want to take a break, they can’t be forced to and can leave work after 7 hours and be paid for 7 hours?
No.
If their hours are 9 to 4.30 with a 30 minute unpaid break then it says they cannot expect to leave early if they don't take a break.
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Re: Do I have to take an unpaid break if I'm part-time?

Post by Postie Malone »

Barnacle wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 17:02
yellowbelly wrote:
19 Nov 2024, 16:39
Interesting write up from 2017 by Coodes Solicitors of Cornwall re an ET regarding rest breaks and I've enlarged a piece of text in the last paragraph.

https://coodes.co.uk/2017/01/staff-rest-breaks/
Is it up to employers or employees to enforce rest breaks in the workplace?

Most businesses know that employees who work for more than six hours are entitled a rest break of at least 20 consecutive minutes sometime during the working day. What is less clear is who is responsible for ensuring the break is taken. Is this down to the employee, or should the employer ensure it is provided?

A recent case

A recent case, involving a relief roadside controller on a bus service, put this issue under the spotlight. He had been working 8 and a half hours a day, with the understanding he would take half an hour’s unpaid rest break. However, he often found it difficult to take his break because of the nature of the work. His employer then emailed him stating that he should now work straight through for eight hours and finish work 30 minutes earlier. At a later date, the employee then raised a grievance claiming his employer had failed to give him statutory rest breaks.

What were the findings?

Interestingly, a tribunal found that the employee had not been denied his statutory right as he had never requested his breaks. The case went to the Employment Appeal Tribunal who held that in fact the employer has a duty to provide a worker with a statutory rest break. It does not need to be requested by the employee.

This case clearly shows that the onus is on employers to ensure rest breaks are provided during a working day of six hours or more. Of course, the reality is that some employees will choose to work through their breaks – and they can’t be forced to take them. If this happens they cannot demand additional pay or expect to be able to leave work earlier.

There are two important messages from this case. Firstly, make sure your working arrangements have provision for all staff working at least six hours to have a break. Secondly, breaks do not have to be paid.
So, let’s see if I have this right?: the shift is 7 hours. With an unpaid break it would be 7.5hrs?
But if the employee did not want to take a break, they can’t be forced to and can leave work after 7 hours and be paid for 7 hours?
No. The shift would be 7.5 hours including the unpaid break. The employee could choose to work through that break but couldn't finish early and wouldn't be paid extra for doing so.
Seriously, why would anyone work through their break whether paid or unpaid?
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Re: Do I have to take an unpaid break if I'm part-time?

Post by Mr Rush »

tramssirhc wrote:
18 Nov 2024, 19:37
The problem here is that the CWU won't address the issue because they know they'll end up trying to defend the paid break agreement and lose it.
You could say any issue and the indictment is the same.
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