Can management contact the DVLA?

[yellowbelly]

another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE

Can you/are you willing to drive if you were to pick a 'driver' duty?

[Barnacle]

another s**t-show from RM and CWU.

there's plenty of people employed as a "driver" and then pick a non-driving duty when theres a re-pick.

but i as a non-driver can't pick a "driving" duty

DISGRACE

That's seniority, and long may it continue.

I'm all for seniority, but when duties are purposely changed so non-drivers can't apply.

All backed by the CWU of course.

how would you correct a P&L pairing if both were senior enough and both non drivers and can't drive then? regardless if the can't or just won't?
obviously the more senior guy gets in thus requiring a driver to get paired with and the pairing offer goes to the next most senior driver

That's not what I'm saying.

It's totally unfair that I can't apply for duties because I'm a non-driver although I would be the most senior of the pairing.

But a "driver" has the choice to pick non-driving duties, although they are employed on the basis that they can drive. All with less seniority than myself.

This has happened quite a few times in my office over the last few years.

The rep got his head in the sand as usual.

Seniority is only applied when it suits.

[michael147]

How times have changed, we now in my office of about 50 have nobody without a driving license.
Remember a revision in 2000 which introduced 6 duties (5 and a cover) to do a delivery followed by ASAP ( sorting mailsort for the next day and prepping mech mail into rounds) from about 1045-1215.
By a quirk of the re-pick i was the only driver out of 6!
So got sent everywhere sorting out inevitable problems that always arose, TBH was not that bothered, it got me out of the office and i took my time.

[postslippete]

Non-drivers will always have the best of both worlds in Royal Mail


They sit easy riding shotgun knowing that the driver is shouldering most of the burden - the bigger parcels, not signing for the van keys and Specials, not having to do the van checks, not having to focus on the road and instead play on their phones, not having to work on Sundays and potentially Saturdays if and when the company decides to deliver parcels instead of letters.....

[redlen]

The driver might well sit in the van doing parcels but the non driver ends up pounding the street doing the loops

[enskied]

Non-drivers will always have the best of both worlds in Royal Mail


They sit easy riding shotgun knowing that the driver is shouldering most of the burden - the bigger parcels, not signing for the van keys and Specials, not having to do the van checks, not having to focus on the road and instead play on their phones, not having to work on Sundays and potentially Saturdays if and when the company decides to deliver parcels instead of letters.....

You taking the piss... The driver fks about for hours, indoor then out. After I have delivered all my bags (and parcels btw) I'm delivering his. He has time to swan about. When he has delivered all the large s**t. He doesn't grab a bag and get posting...no no no. He roots through the bags left to do and takes out the non tracked fit through a letter box and drives about with them.

[postslippete]

You taking the piss... The driver fks about for hours, indoor then out. After I have delivered all my bags (and parcels btw) I'm delivering his. He has time to swan about. When he has delivered all the large s**t. He doesn't grab a bag and get posting...no no no. He roots through the bags left to do and takes out the non tracked fit through a letter box and drives about with them.

Unless both colleagues are on the same wavelength, park & loop can be as productive or as unproductive as you want it to be. A driver might spend ages delivering parcels whilst their colleague is delivering a load of loops of mail OR a non-driver might decide not to take a trolley and therefore don't take many of the larger s**t to help out, preferring to sit around waiting while the driver is forced to deliver them instead.

But one thing that you absolutely cannot get away from is that there is a lot more responsibility as a shared van driver than a non-driver. We have a few posties who hold a driving licence but prefer not to drive for Royal Mail. Can't think why that is? Many of them are relishing the fact that RM are intending to deliver parcels only on a Saturday and none of them will ever be asked to work on a Sunday.

[enskied]

You taking the piss... The driver fks about for hours, indoor then out. After I have delivered all my bags (and parcels btw) I'm delivering his. He has time to swan about. When he has delivered all the large s**t. He doesn't grab a bag and get posting...no no no. He roots through the bags left to do and takes out the non tracked fit through a letter box and drives about with them.

Unless both colleagues are on the same wavelength, park & loop can be as productive or as unproductive as you want it to be. A driver might spend ages delivering parcels whilst their colleague is delivering a load of loops of mail OR a non-driver might decide not to take a trolley and therefore don't take many of the larger s**t to help out, preferring to sit around waiting while the driver is forced to deliver them instead.

But one thing that you absolutely cannot get away from is that there is a lot more responsibility as a shared van driver than a non-driver. We have a few posties who hold a driving licence but prefer not to drive for Royal Mail. Can't think why that is? Many of them are relishing the fact that RM are intending to deliver parcels only on a Saturday and none of them will ever be asked to work on a Sunday.

Bollocks...

[postslippete]

Bollocks...

Well, this is what you said earlier...

A bit of an odd one. If said driver has done the change over and qualified for the job as a driving postie and now is refusing to drive there's an issue.
We have a few sat on non driving duties who kick scream and spit the dummy out when told they have to.

If the driver is saying that he or she is unfit mentally to drive then yes that should be reported not to do so puts others at risk.

[ted_e_bear]

You taking the piss... The driver fks about for hours, indoor then out. After I have delivered all my bags (and parcels btw) I'm delivering his. He has time to swan about. When he has delivered all the large s**t. He doesn't grab a bag and get posting...no no no. He roots through the bags left to do and takes out the non tracked fit through a letter box and drives about with them.
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That's a pretty good example of how not to work together as a team, I'd be pretty pissed off working like that.

[R5001]

Non-drivers will always have the best of both worlds in Royal Mail


They sit easy riding shotgun knowing that the driver is shouldering most of the burden - the bigger parcels, not signing for the van keys and Specials, not having to do the van checks, not having to focus on the road and instead play on their phones, not having to work on Sundays and potentially Saturdays if and when the company decides to deliver parcels instead of letters.....

You taking the piss... The driver fks about for hours, indoor then out. After I have delivered all my bags (and parcels btw) I'm delivering his. He has time to swan about. When he has delivered all the large s**t. He doesn't grab a bag and get posting...no no no. He roots through the bags left to do and takes out the non tracked fit through a letter box and drives about with them.

Your partner sounds like a complete f***ing bellend. That isn't at all how its supposed to work, f**k that, complain until its fixed.