I'm Voting NO to strike action.

yorkie · Post by **yorkie** » 24 May 2007, 21:14

HI ANDY AS A UNIT REP. SUB AREA REP,BRANCH TREASURER AND ASSISTANT BRANCH SEC . I AGREE WITH SOME OF YOUR POINTS THAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THIS UNION ARE LEFT DIGRUNTLED BY IT,BUT VOTING NO AND CROSSING A PICKET LINE IS NOT THE WAY TO DO THINGS . IT SOUNDS YOU ARE VERY ANGRY FROM WHATS HAPPENED IN THE PAST CAN I ASK NEVER MIND THE AREA REP ETC DID YOUR MEMBERS NOT BACK YOU UP FOR WHAT HAPPENED?

THINK OF IT ANDY CAN YOU LIVE WITH THE WORD SCAB ON YOUR FOREHEAD.

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 24 May 2007, 21:20

Andy, are you really turning your back on the union who you represent? and also remember who the union are, that guy who works next to you or one of the lads who you have a pint with, there the union. vote YES and put pressure on RM.

andycprice · Post by **andycprice** » 25 May 2007, 17:44

I appreciate the comments, negative and positive, but why would I give support to a national union when they appear uninterested in local issues. They don't support me why would I support them?

As for my loyalties, seven years rep and twenty years member you can see my loyalty. Loyalty is earned and it's not on demand.

I no longer represent the union due to false allegations and no union support.

You cannot pick and choose when I am a worthy member.

I have been subjected to bullying, harassment, swearing, damage to my vespa, spitting on it, putting fag ash and cups on it, threats and intimidation. The union has stood there and done nothing. I have tolerated this for six weeks now.

I put this post on here exactly for this, to encourage constructive criticism and to encourage a debate. To state scab blah blah blah is disappointing from educated adults. Being passionate is fine but be constructive with it. Democracy works.

dinho1 · Post by **dinho1** » 25 May 2007, 18:03

wouldnt it be better if you just didnt vote andy ?

andycprice · Post by **andycprice** » 25 May 2007, 18:08

That's a good point dinho.

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 25 May 2007, 23:05

Now i joke on ere but i feel for ya Andy.. Thats just WRONG what is happening to you!!

I agree Loyalty isnt on demand its earnt!!!

I feel sick as in my own case but still the bigger picture is the main issue now!!!

I have been let down from reps and HQ and the people know full well i could stick a few cats in amongst the pigions of the cwu HQ

But i still have faith in CWU as a whole!!!! My choice as u have yours!!! Is to pull out full stop..

But please dont stick the knife in just because of personal reasons!!! I feel like shouting about the bollox ive had but where would that get me??

Take care mate and if you want anytime a chat PM me!!! I know its out of order but PLEASE DO WHAT YOUR HEART TELLS YA!!!

GOOD MAN!!!!

out

Yes..............................

Post by **Zorro** » 26 May 2007, 20:16

Andy, the vote is yours to do what ever you like with it. If you want to vote no, then do it!.
That is your democratic right in a free country.

You say you wont support the union anymore, which is also fine and acceptable considering your grief (although if you receive no support from management/union. I would inform them that at the next instant anything happens, you will call the police!)

My question to you is: Will you be returning any pay increase that is awarded through strike action?

You say you wont support the CWU. You say you will cross a picket line. Will you accept any financial gain from strike action?

Whether you like it or not, the CWU IS supporting you!

motley · Post by **motley** » 26 May 2007, 21:56

I'm sorry guys,but i aint in the union.They have done nothing for me in the past.I think if we go on strike we will hand all the work over to DHL,TNT and DAX.When we come back of strike,we will have a lot less mail to deliver because we will have lost a lot of our customers.What would you rather have,a well paid job or no job at all.If you go on strike you will be handing all the mail over to all our rivals ,as our customers will lose confidence in us and expect more for less with our rivals.Think about it,cheaper mail and less costs,don't add up if we go on strike.
If we go on strike,and lose a lot of customers,it won't be the 40 hour guys who lose out,but the other guys who are on casual or part time contracts who lose out.Then who is gonna cover you full timers days off.Seriously think about it guys,it's no good to strike.Love me or hate me,sorry.

KawasakiKid · Post by **KawasakiKid** » 26 May 2007, 22:22

Motley! Thank f**ck people like you are VERY much in the minority

-------- a KWAK on you

redvan · Post by **redvan** » 26 May 2007, 22:24

if you were to vote no you must be one of the reps that is standing on his own.I have been a rep for the passed 4 years been threatened with suspension three times but my area rep and division rep have been with me all the way. We have a few bad apples in everything we do in life but please think of the future of yourself and the rest of your members that you have helped in the seven years that you have been a rep

motley · Post by **motley** » 26 May 2007, 22:32

Well cheers kawasakikid,i respect your opinion,but if your gonna get rude,then,f**k you.I would rather have a job at a normal wage than give my job to TNT,DHL or DAX,you prick,I thought us bikers stuck together.Enjoy your P45

KawasakiKid · Post by **KawasakiKid** » 26 May 2007, 23:07

motley wrote:Well cheers kawasakikid,i respect your opinion,but if your gonna get rude,then,f**k you.I would rather have a job at a normal wage than give my job to TNT,DHL or DAX,you p***k,I thought us bikers stuck together.Enjoy your P45

Motley, first of all I apologise for losing my cool. Secondly my Job comes before my Bike (no money no bike) Thirdly have you heard about the European Unions Liberalisation of the Postal Market? What's happening to US in or workplace is down to politics. This Government is forcing their policies upon us by employing Big AL and Li'l Ad to do it's dirty work. It dont have to be this way, a lot of Labour MPs are already working behind the scenes to bring about change. A determined action by RM staff will give more power to that political movement. As far as my P45 is concerned, if RM gets it's way 40,000 of us are going to get them anyway. Who's to say you or I will not be one of them?---------------a conciliatory KWAK

Post by **POSTMAN** » 26 May 2007, 23:16

motley wrote:I'm sorry guys,but i aint in the union.They have done nothing for me in the past.I think if we go on strike we will hand all the work over to DHL,TNT and DAX.When we come back of strike,we will have a lot less mail to deliver because we will have lost a lot of our customers.What would you rather have,a well paid job or no job at all.If you go on strike you will be handing all the mail over to all our rivals ,as our customers will lose confidence in us and expect more for less with our rivals.Think about it,cheaper mail and less costs,don't add up if we go on strike.
If we go on strike,and lose a lot of customers,it won't be the 40 hour guys who lose out,but the other guys who are on casual or part time contracts who lose out.Then who is gonna cover you full timers days off.Seriously think about it guys,it's no good to strike.Love me or hate me,sorry.

Not sure whether you've voted yet but seems to me you've been listening and reading the RM PROPAGANDA.
Have a look through the forums mate.

In no way will us going on strike make all our customers sudenly pop off to the competitors,that is happening anyway,
they are going because they are greedy bastards and have thrown out 300 odd years of tradition for a pound note.
And where did you get the well payed job thing from!

Things will change for the seriously worse if they get their own way,a strike or a mass threat of a strike will calm things down and we would be able to negoatiate better terms.

Believe it mate,vote yes if you haven't voted yet.

tpost · Post by **tpost** » 26 May 2007, 23:39

Although I do not support some of the peoples views about not supporting the union during these testing times I can understand their feelings that the union is cut off from the members. I think we need to stick together right now but in the future the union needs to support its reps on the front line with better training and perhaps the introduction of paid full time area reps. We can not go on the way we have been with the lack of communication at local level

Post by **Zorro** » 27 May 2007, 02:03

motley wrote:I'm sorry guys,but i aint in the union.They have done nothing for me in the past.I think if we go on strike we will hand all the work over to DHL,TNT and DAX.When we come back of strike,we will have a lot less mail to deliver because we will have lost a lot of our customers.What would you rather have,a well paid job or no job at all.If you go on strike you will be handing all the mail over to all our rivals ,as our customers will lose confidence in us and expect more for less with our rivals.Think about it,cheaper mail and less costs,don't add up if we go on strike.
If we go on strike,and lose a lot of customers,it won't be the 40 hour guys who lose out,but the other guys who are on casual or part time contracts who lose out.Then who is gonna cover you full timers days off.Seriously think about it guys,it's no good to strike.Love me or hate me,sorry.

Motley, it makes no difference whether you are out on delivery or inside proccessing, take a look at the next few letters you handle. Look at the top right hand corner, do you see a stamp or a mark of an "S"????

The mail wont be handed to the competition as we deliver all the competions mail! We strike, their mail sits in our mail centres. All the competition want is the lorry loads of mail theycan trunk up and down the motorways, they are not a bit interested in getting the letter through the letter box.

ROYALMAILCHAT

I'm Voting NO to strike action.

Should of got a Lamby Andy!!!