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WHATS GONNA HAPPEN ROYAL MAIL NO LONGER HAVE VAT EXEMPTION

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WHATS GONNA HAPPEN ROYAL MAIL NO LONGER HAVE VAT EXEMPTION

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It has been mooted both by Postcom and other Postal Service providers that Royal Mail VAT exemption is both unfair and not conducive to competition. In other words it gives us an unfair advantage.

I think in the short term we will not lose the exemption, however what effect would it have on the business, income and , to us, more importantly employee retention when we do finally lose it.

My uninformed guess is that we will loose it within 5 to 10 years, and the impact on stamp prices will be bad. 1st Class stamp would increase from 34p to 40p (if vat is charged at 17.5% at based on current prices) and that the breaking of the physiological barrier of 40p would cause a lot of bad press and in the short term loss of income. Of course we all know what RMs response to any loss of profit is reduction of the workforce. :sad:


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The latest ramblings from PostCon is they want a uniformed level of 5% for all.
It is on their site somewhere,i think about the latest consultation or summin.
Not sure what the time frame is though.
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http://www.psc.gov.uk/news-and-events/n ... vices.html

Postcomm welcomes progress on VAT for postal services

23 March 2007

Postcomm - the independent regulator for postal services in the UK - has welcomed the announcement earlier this week of a new type of access arrangement, designed to allow VAT-exempt organisations, including financial institutions and some charities, to take better advantage of the choices available in the newly-competitive mail market.

Under the new arrangements, mail operators offering access will no longer be required to charge VAT on the whole cost of their access schemes. Instead, VAT is only required to be charged on the ‘upstream’ element of these arrangements – that is, the collection and sorting services offered by Royal Mail’s competitors.

The ‘downstream’ element – delivery – is provided on competitors’ behalf by Royal Mail, which is itself exempt from charging VAT on the services it supplies to customers.

Until now, VAT was required to be charged on the full cost of access arrangements with licensed operators. Non-exempt organisations have been able to offset that cost against their own VAT payments. But VAT-exempt organisations have not, making access arrangements – and the services offered by Royal Mail’s competitors - more expensive, in practice, for them.

Although Postcomm has welcomed today’s announcement, it remains concerned that there is not a ‘level playing field’ for licensed postal operators: Royal Mail is exempt from charging VAT, while other operators are required to charge the full 17.5%, making it harder for them to compete on cost for the business of VAT-exempt mailers. This is a significant barrier to postal market entry for new operators, particularly end-to-end operators, who make their own deliveries, and whose VAT liability remains unchanged.

Postcomm’s preferred solution would be a reduced, uniform rate of VAT, to be applied to all postal operators, including Royal Mail. For example, a 5% rate applied across the board would create a level playing field without resulting in significant price rises for customers.

However, this is not an issue Postcomm can itself resolve, but a policy matter for HM Treasury. The UK government must operate within the common VAT framework set out by the European Commission, which has recently expressed its concern over Royal Mail’s exemption from VAT. A proposed amendment to the current VAT Directive would allow for a uniform, lower rate of VAT to apply to all licensed postal operators - something Postcomm would welcome.

Notes for editors

Access agreements are contractual agreements between Royal Mail and other postal operators or large mail users that allow them to use Royal Mail’s facilities to carry post on the ‘downstream’ part of its journey (delivery), for a set price per item, typically around 13p.

Some of the UK’s largest bulk mailers – including banks and other financial institutions, as well as some charities – are VAT-exempt.

Today’s announcement comes as a result of discussions between HM Revenue & Customs, Royal Mail and UK Mail.

Further access schemes arranged on this basis would need to be individually agreed between HM Revenue & Customs, Royal Mail and the licensed operator concerned.
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Post by Spedley »

I didn't know RM didn't pay VAT and of I certainly think they should.

Is this why they keep saying we have some of the cheapest postage prices in europe - RM don't pay their taxes?
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Re: WHATS GONNA HAPPEN ROYAL MAIL NO LONGER HAVE VAT EXEMPT

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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:It has been mooted both by Postcom and other Postal Service providers that Royal Mail VAT exemption is both unfair and not conducive to competition. In other words it gives us an unfair advantage.

I think in the short term we will not lose the exemption, however what effect would it have on the business, income and , to us, more importantly employee retention when we do finally lose it.

My uninformed guess is that we will loose it within 5 to 10 years, and the impact on stamp prices will be bad. 1st Class stamp would increase from 34p to 40p (if vat is charged at 17.5% at based on current prices) and that the breaking of the physiological barrier of 40p would cause a lot of bad press and in the short term loss of income. Of course we all know what RMs response to any loss of profit is reduction of the workforce. :sad:


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All i will say is this is it not uncompetitive to sell our sevices below market rate and to compete with company's with aircraft fleet's in excess of 600 aircraft (FED EX) !. Now if you go on a flight you have to pay passenger duty a tax (was £10 in europe £20 to rest of the world) to fly, why not so for packet's / parcel's some weigh more than most people!.
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We are still state owned. Paying VAT (would only be shuffling money from one government department to another) would be like paying your wife to wash the dishes. Just because your neighbour doesn't like the fact that she washes them for free, doesn't mean she should wash theirs or at least not unless they paid her. It's too bad, are postcomm actually in the employment of TNT? Or are they meant to ensure a level playing field across the board. I know that RM have the upper hand, well they have been providing the postal service in this country for 350+ years. Why should the UK postal service suffer because of some Euro-burocracts, especially when they have shown that they are excessively reluctant to open up their own markets. I know, I know... the government, Europe, big business etc, but it doesn't make it right.
In my own humble opinion, stuff the lot of them, the government, Europe, Postcomm, TNT, DHL, (God, the list is endless) :evil/mad
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pinstripe wrote:We are still state owned. Paying VAT (would only be shuffling money from one government department to another) would be like paying your wife to wash the dishes. Just because your neighbour doesn't like the fact that she washes them for free, doesn't mean she should wash theirs or at least not unless they paid her. It's too bad, are postcomm actually in the employment of TNT? Or are they meant to ensure a level playing field across the board. I know that RM have the upper hand, well they have been providing the postal service in this country for 350+ years. Why should the UK postal service suffer because of some Euro-burocracts, especially when they have shown that they are excessively reluctant to open up their own markets. I know, I know... the government, Europe, big business etc, but it doesn't make it right.
In my own humble opinion, stuff the lot of them, the government, Europe, Postcomm, TNT, DHL, (God, the list is endless) :evil/mad
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Post by steviemac »

IF most european governments charge vat or equivelent then we're stuffed if not let one of our neighbours introduce it first and for once let the uk sit back for a few years to assess the situation. Thinking it through i still think operators would cack themselves at the thought of hiring staff when all they go to do is dump mail at a hub and get 4p or more for doing very little, seems too much hassle.