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Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 17:33

Hey all. Iv tried searching in here but I can’t seem to find a post that answers it (more that my phone slows down when it searches back...)

Basically next Christmas Boxing Day is a Saturday but the bank holiday is classed as the Monday (substitute) so will Boxing Day be work as usual and then we have the Monday off?
The following year Christmas is on a Saturday and the bank holidays are classed as the following Monday and Tuesday.
I asked my line manager and he had no idea.
I’m guessing it’s not a new issue so what normally happens?

Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 17:39

In previous years they have called the Saturday a " non operational day" and given us the day off.Now we bow to shareholders so who knows.

Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 18:37

afaik unless OFCOM declare the Saturday to be a non-operational day, everyone who would normlly be working on a Saturday will be working on the Saturday

Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 19:20

SpacePhoenix wrote:afaik unless OFCOM declare the Saturday to be a non-operational day, everyone who would normlly be working on a Saturday will be working on the Saturday

we will probably be out on strike :Very Happy :roll:

Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 20:37

We won’t be working Boxing Day

Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 20:39

Boxing day last fell on Saturday in 2015. The following arrangements were made; It may change in 2020 depending on USO possible alterations.

The 2004 Christmas agreement abolished claw back of hours arising from public, bank holidays and non USO days and these arrangements remain in place for Christmas 2015/16. 3 Attendance and Resourcing Arrangements
3.1 Friday, 25 December and Monday, 28 December are the Christmas Day and Boxing Day Bank Holidays. There will be no USO collections or deliveries on these days.

3.2 Saturday, 26 December is not a Bank Holiday. We have agreed with Ofcom it is a non USO day so there will be no USO collections or deliveries. Monday, 28 December will be the bank holiday. Where service requires attendance on early or late shifts on Saturday, 26 December people attending will be paid at Scheduled Attendance Monday-Saturday rate (currently £11.06 per hour). Our aspiration is that all attendances commencing on the 26th December will be on a voluntary basis with work covered utilising the full range of resourcing options

No. 769/15 Ref: 170 & 706A.06 Date: 2nd December 2015
Under the terms of the Postal Services Act and Royal Mails license obligation (USO) they are due to deliver and collect 6 days a week excluding Sundays and Bank or Public Holidays, which would have meant that as the 26th is not the Bank Holiday Royal Mail would normally be obliged to deliver and collect on the 26th. This is the reason why Royal Mail supported by the CWU made an application to Ofcom for a Non USO/Non Service day. The application was then put out to public consultation and at the end of the consultation Ofcom made a decision to grant the non USO/non service day. They also agreed that this would continue in future when the 26th falls on a Saturday




3rd September 2015

CWU Submission to Ofcom on an exception to Royal Mail’s universal service obligation – no requirement for deliveries and collections when 26 December falls on a Saturday
Introduction
1. The Communication Workers Union (CWU) represents nearly 194,000 employees in the postal, telecoms, financial services and related industries. We are the recognised union in Royal Mail Group for all non management grades including those responsible for the collection, sortation and delivery of letters and parcels.

2. The CWU welcomes the opportunity to respond to Ofcom’s proposal to permanently designate 26 December as an exception to the universal service when it falls on a Saturday. As noted in Ofcom’s consultation document, the CWU has indicated its support for this proposal in preliminary discussions with Royal Mail.

3. The CWU has always strongly advocated that when the Boxing Day bank holiday falls on a Saturday, that day should be designated as a no-service day. We also believe this approach should be extended to all official bank holidays being moved to a Monday as a consequence of a named bank holiday falling on a Saturday.
Background

4. As the designated universal service provider (DUSP), Royal Mail must collect and deliver mail every Monday to Saturday, excluding public holidays. The 26 December is usually a public holiday but, if it falls on a Saturday, the public holiday moves to the following Monday and Saturday 26 December is treated as an ordinary Saturday when Royal Mail would be required to collect and deliver mail.

5. Royal Mail has requested a direction under the relevant regulatory condition – DUSP condition 1.3.2(a) - for 26 December to be permanently designated as an exception to the universal service when it falls on a Saturday.

6. Ofcom proposes to issue a Direction to allow Royal Mail an exception from performing its universal service obligations when 26 December falls on a Saturday, on the basis that it should be treated as a public holiday. Ofcom proposes that this exception will apply on Saturday 26 December 2015 and that it shall be effective until further notice.1

CWU response to the consultation question: Do you agree that there should be an exception to the universal service (i.e. no deliveries or collections) on 26 December when this date falls on a Saturday, beginning with 26 December 2015? Please explain your answer.

7. The CWU agrees with the proposal that 26 December should be permanently designated an exception to the universal service when it falls on a Saturday. The reduction in mail volumes in the period immediately after Christmas Day means that providing a postal service on Boxing Day is not cost effective and places unnecessary pressure on employees. Furthermore, the drop in demand for postal services at this time means the impact on postal users will be low. We believe the proposal will benefit employees and the company, and that it will not adversely affect citizens, consumers or businesses.
Impact on Royal Mail and employees

8. We believe the proposal will benefit Royal Mail by reducing unnecessary costs associated with maintaining a full network during a period of relatively low demand for postal services. It will benefit employees by allowing them an uninterrupted break over the Christmas holiday after the busy December mailing period.

9. As noted in Royal Mail’s evidence, there is a sharp decline in mail volumes in the period immediately after Christmas and lower than normal traffic volumes predicted on the Saturday. However, providing a universal delivery service on Saturday 26 December would require a full national network and processing operation. This means that despite very low volumes of letters and parcels being posted on Christmas Day, employees would still be required to collect items from all pillar boxes the following day and deliver to more than 29 million addresses across the country.

10.As Ofcom notes, the last time 26 December fell on a Saturday was in 2009. The CWU made a submission to Postcomm at that time, supporting the proposal to grant Royal Mail an exception to the universal service. Postcomm subsequently granted the exception for that occasion, stating as part of its assessment that the decision would allow Royal Mail employees to take a four day break during the holidays after the intense period leading up to Christmas. The CWU believes this is an important consideration, both in the interests of employees and the company, given the positive effect that a reasonable break from work can have on staff morale and productivity.

11.Royal Mail employees understandably expect to be able to spend Christmas with their families, but designating Boxing Day as a service day makes this impossible for many of them. If a normal postal service were to be provided on the Saturday the holiday period would be interrupted and many employees would have to be away from their families on Boxing Day, and on Christmas Day evening for those scheduled for the night shift.
Impact on postal users 1 An exception to Royal Mail’s universal service obligation, Ofcom, 30 July 2015 http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binari ... ay-uso.pdf

Working Boxing Day

30 Dec 2019, 21:07

If OFCOM don't declare the 26th to be a non-operational day then anyone who works night shift effectively won't get xmas off as on the Xmas night going into the Saturday they'll be required to be in as there'd be normal Saturday deliveries and collections. On the Monday they'd be required to be in as on the Tuesday there'd be normal deliveries and collections

Working Boxing Day

31 Dec 2019, 08:36

SpacePhoenix wrote:If OFCOM don't declare the 26th to be a non-operational day then anyone who works night shift effectively won't get xmas off as on the Xmas night going into the Saturday they'll be required to be in as there'd be normal Saturday deliveries and collections. On the Monday they'd be required to be in as on the Tuesday there'd be normal deliveries and collections


Space as my post stated;
".............. Ofcom made a decision to grant the non USO/non service day. They also agreed that this would continue in future when the 26th falls on a Saturday"

So it would be a non-operational day as it stands. If alteration is made to the USO in 2020 then I am unclear on that.

Working Boxing Day

31 Dec 2019, 16:25

I really wouldn't think about it,it's nearly a year away,allsorts could happen by then,just base any concerns you have on the fact that you're working it and anything other than that is a bonus !

Working Boxing Day

01 Jan 2020, 11:02

Surely we will not have to work the immediate day after Christmas Day. Yes, the Monday is the official Boxing Day and Bank Holiday day but can you really imagine us having to work Christmas Eve, having Christmas Day off and then back into work the following day? I just cant see it.

Working Boxing Day

01 Jan 2020, 11:38

We wont be working Boxing Day, end of!

Working Boxing Day

01 Jan 2020, 11:58

Jefferson Starfish wrote:We wont be working Boxing Day, end of!

Some night shift staff in MCs, DOs and RDCs will be working the night of the official Boxing Day as the following day (Tuesday) is a normal service day.

There's a USO review this year so there's no guarantee that the 26th will be a non-service day, we'll have to wait and see what comes out of the USO review later in he year

Working Boxing Day

01 Jan 2020, 12:01

If we have to work on Saturday the 26th of December this year i'll eat my hat!

Working Boxing Day

01 Jan 2020, 13:35

In both of the examples there will be four consecutive days off. It doesn't matter what the official classification for each day is. As far as I can remember we have always had an additional day/s off if Xmas or Boxing Day falls on 'the weekend' .
How the business is run is liable to be wildly different from where we are now by December 2020 so best just to wait and see what happens. If we have switched to the five day operation by then it may mean we don't get the day in lieu anymore.

Working Boxing Day

01 Jan 2020, 17:57

If we've switched to the 5 day format by then, then 20 000 of us reserves/floaters will be working for someone else any way! :thumbdown :nervous :cry

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