now that talks have broken down again and royal mail are already starting to enforce the changes that they so clearly want to bring in ie ceasing sunday collections from the end of october and more no dought to come . what will the strike breakers be doing to support us if we go back to industrial action,,i am sure that they will be the first to start complaining
if we had all stuck together in the first place and showed those two fu*kwits at the top that they cant dictate to us we wouldnt of been in this position and it would of probably been sorted by now ,so i would like to thank any scab out there if they use this site thanks for nothing.your day will come.. oh and try out your own website its called scab chat.. not too many users though..
make it a level playing field and we will start to be competitive again !!!! support yor union its there for you !!
Arnold Layne wrote:strike breakers? What is this? The Miners Strike? Are you going to be throwing bricks off bridges at passing cars next?
Are you seriously denying the business needs to change radically in order to survive? Do you think if the business doesn't change everythings going to be just dandy?
Do you think we can just carry the way we have done for the past 360 years and pretend nothings changed?
The 'good old days' of the monopoly are over. Much as I would like Open Competition never to have happened, the business needs to adapt substantially in order to defeat the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if PostComm's decision to go to Open Competition was, in some way, motivated by a desire to try and cause massive damage to the RM under the guise of freemarket capitalism - the old adage which really means screw the workforce and help the rich get richer.
To be blunt, I've worked in the Private Sector, and RM are overall a lot less shareholder/profit-motivated than any number of major firms in the FTSE 100 who exist SOLELY to give their shareholders massive payoffs with no compunction about the damage this causes to anyone and anything else. If the RM really were that bad they'd be compulsory redunacies in the 10,000's+ : firms like General Motors, Rover, etc slash their workforce all the time without the slightest twinge of conscience. I'm not saying this is the way RM should go - but it's the way it could go. It's very naive to think it's not a possibility at some point in the future. The only reason they havent gone for Compulsory Redundancies is the fear of strikes (do you know how much a day on strike costs nationally in fines, lost business - both short and long term - and lost revenue?)
The 'two fu*kwits at the top' aren't the real source of the current business pain : it's PostComm imposing illthought, crazy ideas like 'The Final Mile' (where we actually subsidise the competition by charging less than the cost) and open competition whilst allowing TNT / Datapost etc to skim off the profitable B2B accounts that cross subsidise the domestic market. The only thing that can sort this - aside from radical change - is to reverse the PostComm decision and that won't happen. I think the Government (which is Tory in all but name) made a political decision and the business as a whole has coped well. That said, the business barely evolved for long periods over the past 15 years and we're now seeing a haemorrage of radical change that really should have happened slowly over that period.
a scab is someone who works while his fellow workers lose money for something they believe in!you got a problem with the word scab then?
"The 'two fu*kwits at the top' aren't the real source of the current business pain : it's PostComm imposing illthought, crazy ideas like 'The Final Mile' (where we actually subsidise the competition by charging less than the cost) and open competition whilst allowing TNT / Datapost etc to skim off the profitable B2B accounts that cross subsidise the domestic market. The only thing that can sort this - aside from radical change - is to reverse the PostComm decision and that won't happen. I think the Government (which is Tory in all but name) made a political decision and the business as a whole has coped well. That said, the business barely evolved for long periods over the past 15 years and we're now seeing a haemorrage of radical change that really should have happened slowly over that period."
The "Two Fuckwits " at the top are the problem, when Postcomm presented plans for opening up the postal market messrs leighton and crozier said yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir, cause they envisaged that rm would be privatised and they would both make a killing. Well this did not happen and now they are blaming everyone apart from themselves. :cfo :lfo
" if the kids are united we will never be divided "
Jimmy pursey 1979
strike breakers are also the a***licking backstabbers who do other people's work while they are on strike because
their jobs, pay, conditions, and pensions are under attack from a management who are not even prepared
to negotiate with their representatives, but seek to impose changes by diktat.
Like the RM managers from Old Street who came to Mount Pleasant to do our work during the last
round of strikes (don't they have their own work to do or are they 40% undeworked?).
I hope you are not one of them?
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Arnold Layne wrote:strike breakers? What is this? The Miners Strike? Are you going to be throwing bricks off bridges at passing cars next?
Are you seriously denying the business needs to change radically in order to survive? Do you think if the business doesn't change everythings going to be just dandy?
Do you think we can just carry the way we have done for the past 360 years and pretend nothings changed?
The 'good old days' of the monopoly are over. Much as I would like Open Competition never to have happened, the business needs to adapt substantially in order to defeat the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if PostComm's decision to go to Open Competition was, in some way, motivated by a desire to try and cause massive damage to the RM under the guise of freemarket capitalism - the old adage which really means screw the workforce and help the rich get richer.
To be blunt, I've worked in the Private Sector, and RM are overall a lot less shareholder/profit-motivated than any number of major firms in the FTSE 100 who exist SOLELY to give their shareholders massive payoffs with no compunction about the damage this causes to anyone and anything else. If the RM really were that bad they'd be compulsory redunacies in the 10,000's+ : firms like General Motors, Rover, etc slash their workforce all the time without the slightest twinge of conscience. I'm not saying this is the way RM should go - but it's the way it could go. It's very naive to think it's not a possibility at some point in the future. The only reason they havent gone for Compulsory Redundancies is the fear of strikes (do you know how much a day on strike costs nationally in fines, lost business - both short and long term - and lost revenue?)
The 'two fu*kwits at the top' aren't the real source of the current business pain : it's PostComm imposing illthought, crazy ideas like 'The Final Mile' (where we actually subsidise the competition by charging less than the cost) and open competition whilst allowing TNT / Datapost etc to skim off the profitable B2B accounts that cross subsidise the domestic market. The only thing that can sort this - aside from radical change - is to reverse the PostComm decision and that won't happen. I think the Government (which is Tory in all but name) made a political decision and the business as a whole has coped well. That said, the business barely evolved for long periods over the past 15 years and we're now seeing a haemorrage of radical change that really should have happened slowly over that period.
Do you think we are that stupid that we dont realise we need to change and modernise ? its obvious we do but to what extent ? thats why we have a Union to make sure that the two ronnies dont rail road through stupidity and destroy what was one of greatest Mail services in the world, they should have been lobbying ages ago of their discontent of postco(n)m not sh*ting on the work force, and as for the miners strike i fully supported their strike like the majority of our country did, just look what happend to them. (to use terrible act mindlessness by 1 miner about killing someone and compare that to our strike is pathetic and way out of order
Arnold Layne wrote:strike breakers? What is this? The Miners Strike? Are you going to be throwing bricks off bridges at passing cars next?
You're not the first to make that comparison:
Adam Crozier, Sunday Telegraph, 3 June 2007 wrote:"This will be bloody. We have had the miners, we have had Longbridge and now we have this."
Top,Top reply.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
Arnold Layne wrote:I agree that they should have fought PostComm harder but I don't think they had as much power or influence as you think.
Need to be careful using the word scab, especially in such angry terms the first poster did - it does the union position no favours and allows one to draw such erroneous comaprisons
the fact is strike breakers are a disgrace and WE the members are right. WE stand together. whos with me?
Arnold Layne wrote:I agree that they should have fought PostComm harder but I don't think they had as much power or influence as you think.
Need to be careful using the word scab, especially in such angry terms the first poster did - it does the union position no favours and allows one to draw such erroneous comaprisons
the fact is strike breakers are a disgrace and WE the members are right. WE stand together. whos with me?
Count me in. :cfo :lfo
" if the kids are united we will never be divided "
Jimmy pursey 1979
Arnold Layne wrote:Do you think we can just carry the way we have done for the past 360 years and pretend nothings changed?
You can't have worked for Royal Mail for very long if you think there has been no change in all that time. Why don't you go and start another forum for arse licking managers and strike breakers because you're obviously missing Hellfail.
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!
"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."
in the past few years this company has completely gone to the wall.postcomm does have a hand in that,i mean what other company or business would have to do all its rival companies work and only get a cut of the profits.
postcom have a f****d up way of thinking when it comes to royal mail.
but with those 2 in charge on top of the s**t postcomm give rm its no wonder this company is going to the wall.
every postie i know used to think this was a good job and want to try to save the business more than rm seem to.
but how can you work in an enviroment where the company and the managers you work for are doing everything they can to stop you from doing youre job..it is thier mess and we are getting all the s**t for it..
ive never known a company that holds its employees in such disregard..its like they hate you trying to do youre job efficiantly and well...
