Revisions:Why did it get a yes vote?

[POSTMAN]

Seems to be a few coming on regarding the implementation of their revision and how bad and how wrong the duties are.
Question then,did the others in your office not see this,how did the revisions get voted in??

[DGP1]

The revisions aren't being voted in, they're being forced in, I know that if we don't agree to the new duties in my office then they'll just force them in.

[POSTMAN]

Ok this is what we need to know then,were theses revisions voted by the members or not and why not if not,i've just logged on and skipping through some posts in the 2010 forum and it doesn't look good.

Why are people letting others get away with s**t from management and reps.
P&M all over again!

[fishtank]

Some offices are overreacting.
Some offices have voted poor revisions in for the money.
Some offices have voted poor revisions in through ignorance.
Some offices have voted poor revisions in through pressure from management.
Some offices have voted poor revisions in through pressure from the union.
Some offices didn't get a vote....where was the rep?...
Indoor workload matching the IWT was never going to happen.
Outdoor workload matching pegasus was never going to happen.
If you base a revision around the figures produced by these tools....it's never going to happen.
R.I.P. Royal Mail.

[belle smith]

We're having a vote tommorow....i'm expecting a yes, to get the money and because it's coming in anyway. because we'll lose our slot and get later start time/finish time. because they will fix any problems at the PIR. in a couple of cases because i've already made sure No1 is looked after so it won't affect me.
Pick your favourate!
oh we'll be going live on November the 15th right before Christmas!

[belle smith]

Why are people letting others get away with s**t from management and reps.
P&M all over again!

With regards to letting them away with it, already to late for that! stable doors and hourses and all that.
Revisions based on IWT and Pegasus with the performance rates being used (pretty much the same as before with comsetic changes) mean only the runners have any chance of doing the job on time.
All revisions are to be based on that.

[Big Daz]

I was thinking the same as POSTMAN but fishtank sums it up very well.

My D.O is still waiting for its 12 week review from the 2004 SDD revision

Going live before Xmas is still on the agenda at my D.O the issue most have with that it is Xmas tips especially some of the rural duty holding mbrs.

[bobbla7896]

Seems to be a few coming on regarding the implementation of their revision and how bad and how wrong the duties are.
Question then,did the others in your office not see this,how did the revisions get voted in??

because they where forced in,,, i spoke to the management about this, the walks where impossible to physically do, and the management said geo route posties can do it. there has been no consulting the postal people,, a you do it, we are making the walks massive for you posties.. we the management are laughing at you, because we can, why because we are paying you and we the management can do as we please.............. its a complete disgrace to the working postman.

[belle smith]

I was thinking the same as POSTMAN but fishtank sums it up very well.

My D.O is still waiting for its 12 week review from the 2004 SDD revision

Going live before Xmas is still on the agenda at my D.O the issue most have with that it is Xmas tips especially some of the rural duty holding mbrs.

Thought their was a no vote at your D.O. Daz? Why are you balloting again so soon?

[Big Daz]

Plan B is almost ready

[belle smith]

Plan B is almost ready

Daz if i was a member in your office i would view a vote again so soon as.....vote again and get the right answer this time. I sure you know a lot of your members will see it that way.

[sareknees]

dopes still not taking there breaks even though we are a week into the new trolley / van share deliveries ... would take 3 posties to complete some of the walks the planners have implemented,well done RM again useless shower of £$%^& again

[fishtank]

The closer you are to 100Bsi..or the closer you think you are to 100Bsi...the more likely your revision will fail.
Especially if this figure was based on less than honest factors like coming in early and skipping meal relief.
It stands to reason if everybody has been artificially boosting the EP of an office by coming in early,using their own cars etc and then suddenly they stop doing it.......the wheels will fall off.
Our EP ranges from 55 to 85 depending on the traffic.
I think we're in the bottom third some where

[Big Daz]

Plan B is almost ready

Daz if i was a member in your office i would view a vote again so soon as.....vote again and get the right answer this time. I sure you know a lot of your members will see it that way.

No they dont as the plan B is very different from plan A

[Big Daz]

The big issue is that change should be minimal as in little over a year we will be having major full scale revision activty. A lot of mbrs really dont see the point of this revision due to whats due in early 2012.

The DOM has a proposal and Im going to ask the mbrs to instruct me via a democratic ballot if my response to the DOM is to be yes or a no.