is this wilful delay?...

[discoinferno]

Hi there ,
The date May 2007 pre strike
The place Royal Mail DO eastwood Nottingham
The scenario : New starter (my friend)is informed by his DOM that any mail he has left over that he cant finish off on his 4hr del contract he should return it to this DO , he does so at One oclock ..but Doff is closed and he cant get in, PHG /DOMS all gone home before One o clock.........is this his fault?

watch this video (if hosted yet) and give me your thoughts:

http://www.zshare.net/video/54446199e1f431b3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Pat Ostman]

No I can't see how it is his fault but Managers make up the rules as they see fit, when they see fit and they can change them at a glance without informing anyone of course.

They can lie, deny or whatever they please - if it suits them.

The only way to cover yourself is only taking out the mail you know you can complete and leave the rest there and then. I would not take out the full round and bring back the rest if I thought for a moment I would be unable to complete. (By asking the DOM he must have thought he could not finish - If you get my point).

I know its not always easy to work these things out but from what you have said your friend did all he could. But whats right and what the DOM decides to do are two very different things.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Playing devils advocate I would expect these questions at any subsequent meeting.

There was a combination lock on the door did he know the numbers ?

Was there a phone nearby and did he have a contact number for any managers ?

If the answers to both are NO then he has as far as I can see a rock solid case.


Ps - white trainers - they send you home for them to change at my DO,

[discoinferno]

Playing devils advocate I would expect these questions at any subsequent meeting.

There was a combination lock on the door did he know the numbers ?

Was there a phone nearby and did he have a contact number for any managers ?

If the answers to both are NO then he has as far as I can see a rock solid case.


Ps - white trainers - they send you home for them to change at my DO,

yes he had the door combination
Yes he informed the manger that day he would not be able to complete ,his advice was to return with undelivered mail.
He did so hence the video.
i will post another one shortly with what his manger said to hm when he asked the qustion of undelivered mail..you decide

[POSTMAN]

Playing devils advocate I would expect these questions at any subsequent meeting.

There was a combination lock on the door did he know the numbers ?

Was there a phone nearby and did he have a contact number for any managers ?

If the answers to both are NO then he has as far as I can see a rock solid case.


Ps - white trainers - they send you home for them to change at my DO,

yes he had the door combination
Yes he informed the manger that day he would not be able to complete ,his advice was to return with undelivered mail.
He did so hence the video.
i will post another one shortly with what his manger said to hm when he asked the qustion of undelivered mail..you decide

You can't post the video if his manager is on it,you can let us know when you've got it and others can pm you for it.
I'm trying to look at the one you've posted but it wont work.

[POSTMAN]

That's handy,i've won a car.

[DGP1]

That's handy,i've won a car.

So have I An Audi A3 worth £18,000 Now where do I send the money to

[discoinferno]

Playing devils advocate I would expect these questions at any subsequent meeting.

There was a combination lock on the door did he know the numbers ?

Was there a phone nearby and did he have a contact number for any managers ?

If the answers to both are NO then he has as far as I can see a rock solid case.


Ps - white trainers - they send you home for them to change at my DO,

yes he had the door combination
Yes he informed the manger that day he would not be able to complete ,his advice was to return with undelivered mail.
He did so hence the video.

just using a video editing program that wont id anyone on the tape..back soon...
i will post another one shortly with what his manger said to hm when he asked the qustion of undelivered mail..you decide

You can't post the video if his manager is on it,you can let us know when you've got it and others can pm you for it.
I'm trying to look at the one you've posted but it wont work.

[opgpat]

You can't post the video if his manager is on it,you can let us know when you've got it and others can pm you for it.
I'm trying to look at the one you've posted but it wont work.

if that's true how do all these ukstreet crime style police docus get aired when all the crims are saying 'get that camera out my face' etc. Not saying this (particular) manager is a crim btw ;)

[TrueBlueTerrier]

You can't post the video if his manager is on it,you can let us know when you've got it and others can pm you for it.
I'm trying to look at the one you've posted but it wont work.

if that's true how do all these crime style police get aired when all the are saying that camera out my etc. Not saying this (particular) manager is a ;)

Nothing to do with the law. One of the reasons why this site is as successful as it is, is because of the anonymity we try to provide hence one of the rules is:

Except for nationally known personalities please do not name any individuals on here, rather use their 'work title' or 'my/a colleague' instead.

Putting a video on here with anyone visible on it who has not given their permission would drive a coach and horses through the rule. It would of course also ruin our unwritten promise of anonymity for everyone.

[DGP1]

You can't post the video if his manager is on it,you can let us know when you've got it and others can pm you for it.
I'm trying to look at the one you've posted but it wont work.

if that's true how do all these ukstreet crime style police docus get aired when all the crims are saying 'get that camera out my face' etc. Not saying this (particular) manager is a crim btw ;)

I believe all those TV shows require anyone appearing to sign a permission contract otherwise they end up with blurry faces.