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Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
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Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
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Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
It is encouraging that we can inform members that the negotiations with Royal Mail Group continue to progress with the support of EP Group representatives.
We understand members will be frustrated by the fact no full agreement has yet been reached and deadlines have been shifted for this on multiple occasions.
The truth is these are an extremely complex set of negotiations where we are attempting to shift the whole ethos of the company, end workplace chaos, deliver a good settlement on pay, start to undo the damage done by the company during the 2022 dispute and agree a fresh USO that the company actually abides by on a day to day basis in every workplace. All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail.
The first Board meeting of the EP Group ownership era is on Monday 9th June. All parties have agreed to work over this weekend so progress can be presented to this meeting. From there we would want to sign off a full agreement that can be put to the CWU Postal Executive and then voted on by our members.
Today we wanted to give you a fuller update on negotiations. We have to be clear that we are working on the principle that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. This is why we have not and cannot put individual elements of the negotiations (such as pay) out to members.
PAY
We have rejected multiple pay offers from the employer. The latest being around 4% from April this year. We believe we can achieve more than this. These negotiations continue.
We are also in negotiations over an incentive scheme that could deliver real and tangible financial benefits for members.
NEW ENTRANTS’ TERMS AND CONDITIONS
In line with our agreement with EP Group we have words drafted which would create a pathway to equalising new entrants’ terms and conditions with our legacy members. These are extremely complex and challenging talks and remain an outstanding issue. We will end two-tier working and reverse the damage done by the previous Board and management team.
VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS
In line with our agreement with EP Group we have been discussing an enhancement to the current VR terms which were unilaterally imposed by Royal Mail during the last dispute. We are confident we can improve these – whilst balancing this against the claim we are making on pay and other benefits.
USO NEGOTIATIONS
As part of our agreement with EP Group we are committed to reaching a settlement on USO reform as part of an overall national agreement. Just this week, OFCOM have publicly rebuked Royal Mail for publishing start dates for USO change on their website. OFCOM are making it clear that any decision on the USO will be made in the Summer of 2025 and Royal Mail have no remit to move ahead of this. Equally, we have made it clear that the current USO pilots must be completed, assessed and any fixes put in place before we reach a wider agreement.
We have words on the USO drafted and will be engaging the employer and EP Group on this over the weekend.
A COMPLETE RE-SET
Our agreement with EP Group commits to rebuilding Royal Mail. The only way this can happen is through re-setting relations in every workplace in the UK. Everything we have seen – daily breaches of the USO, the continued prioritisation of parcels and the general chaos culture must end.
This is a major first test of EP Group and the way they want to run Royal Mail.
IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES
Our agreement with EP Group gave clear timelines on the above issues and we are putting in place processes to ensure these are abided by and that fresh settlements are delivered in all these areas.
WHO WOULD BE COVERED BY THE AGREEMENT IF AND WHEN REACHED?
All Royal Mail Group grades.
SUMMARY
The weekend and early part of next week is crucial. We will do everything possible to reach a full national agreement that can be voted on by the membership.
We hope the detail contained within this update gives you a greater understanding of the situation and the moment we have more news we will share it with you.
There is an urgent need to deliver an agreement. There is an even more urgent need to deliver the right agreement.
Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary Postal
Dave Ward
General Secretary
Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
It is encouraging that we can inform members that the negotiations with Royal Mail Group continue to progress with the support of EP Group representatives.
We understand members will be frustrated by the fact no full agreement has yet been reached and deadlines have been shifted for this on multiple occasions.
The truth is these are an extremely complex set of negotiations where we are attempting to shift the whole ethos of the company, end workplace chaos, deliver a good settlement on pay, start to undo the damage done by the company during the 2022 dispute and agree a fresh USO that the company actually abides by on a day to day basis in every workplace. All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail.
The first Board meeting of the EP Group ownership era is on Monday 9th June. All parties have agreed to work over this weekend so progress can be presented to this meeting. From there we would want to sign off a full agreement that can be put to the CWU Postal Executive and then voted on by our members.
Today we wanted to give you a fuller update on negotiations. We have to be clear that we are working on the principle that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. This is why we have not and cannot put individual elements of the negotiations (such as pay) out to members.
PAY
We have rejected multiple pay offers from the employer. The latest being around 4% from April this year. We believe we can achieve more than this. These negotiations continue.
We are also in negotiations over an incentive scheme that could deliver real and tangible financial benefits for members.
NEW ENTRANTS’ TERMS AND CONDITIONS
In line with our agreement with EP Group we have words drafted which would create a pathway to equalising new entrants’ terms and conditions with our legacy members. These are extremely complex and challenging talks and remain an outstanding issue. We will end two-tier working and reverse the damage done by the previous Board and management team.
VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS
In line with our agreement with EP Group we have been discussing an enhancement to the current VR terms which were unilaterally imposed by Royal Mail during the last dispute. We are confident we can improve these – whilst balancing this against the claim we are making on pay and other benefits.
USO NEGOTIATIONS
As part of our agreement with EP Group we are committed to reaching a settlement on USO reform as part of an overall national agreement. Just this week, OFCOM have publicly rebuked Royal Mail for publishing start dates for USO change on their website. OFCOM are making it clear that any decision on the USO will be made in the Summer of 2025 and Royal Mail have no remit to move ahead of this. Equally, we have made it clear that the current USO pilots must be completed, assessed and any fixes put in place before we reach a wider agreement.
We have words on the USO drafted and will be engaging the employer and EP Group on this over the weekend.
A COMPLETE RE-SET
Our agreement with EP Group commits to rebuilding Royal Mail. The only way this can happen is through re-setting relations in every workplace in the UK. Everything we have seen – daily breaches of the USO, the continued prioritisation of parcels and the general chaos culture must end.
This is a major first test of EP Group and the way they want to run Royal Mail.
IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES
Our agreement with EP Group gave clear timelines on the above issues and we are putting in place processes to ensure these are abided by and that fresh settlements are delivered in all these areas.
WHO WOULD BE COVERED BY THE AGREEMENT IF AND WHEN REACHED?
All Royal Mail Group grades.
SUMMARY
The weekend and early part of next week is crucial. We will do everything possible to reach a full national agreement that can be voted on by the membership.
We hope the detail contained within this update gives you a greater understanding of the situation and the moment we have more news we will share it with you.
There is an urgent need to deliver an agreement. There is an even more urgent need to deliver the right agreement.
Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary Postal
Dave Ward
General Secretary
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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toonshola
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
Could have copy and pasted that statement from every single negotiation these chancers have been a part of over the last 5 years but insert EP group into the statement instead. It’s not good enough and we are being taken for a ride once again. There won’t be an agreement next week. Get Ward out.
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Ren Hoëk
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
Right. Im sat here thinking to myself. I swear iv read this before. They really do take us for fools. Ward has to go.toonshola wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 15:20Could have copy and pasted that statement from every single negotiation these chancers have been a part of over the last 5 years but insert EP group into the statement instead. It’s not good enough and we are being taken for a ride once again. There won’t be an agreement next week. Get Ward out.
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Perseus
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
The groundbreaking deal they agreed with EP a few months ago........
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abuch1980
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
But it is the Summer 2025 now Ofcom. I heard 6% rise over 3 years.POSTMAN wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 15:07https://www.cwu.org/royal-mail-group-ne ... u-members/
Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
It is encouraging that we can inform members that the negotiations with Royal Mail Group continue to progress with the support of EP Group representatives.
We understand members will be frustrated by the fact no full agreement has yet been reached and deadlines have been shifted for this on multiple occasions.
The truth is these are an extremely complex set of negotiations where we are attempting to shift the whole ethos of the company, end workplace chaos, deliver a good settlement on pay, start to undo the damage done by the company during the 2022 dispute and agree a fresh USO that the company actually abides by on a day to day basis in every workplace. All of this is set against the background of a challenging financial reality for Royal Mail.
The first Board meeting of the EP Group ownership era is on Monday 9th June. All parties have agreed to work over this weekend so progress can be presented to this meeting. From there we would want to sign off a full agreement that can be put to the CWU Postal Executive and then voted on by our members.
Today we wanted to give you a fuller update on negotiations. We have to be clear that we are working on the principle that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. This is why we have not and cannot put individual elements of the negotiations (such as pay) out to members.
PAY
We have rejected multiple pay offers from the employer. The latest being around 4% from April this year. We believe we can achieve more than this. These negotiations continue.
We are also in negotiations over an incentive scheme that could deliver real and tangible financial benefits for members.
NEW ENTRANTS’ TERMS AND CONDITIONS
In line with our agreement with EP Group we have words drafted which would create a pathway to equalising new entrants’ terms and conditions with our legacy members. These are extremely complex and challenging talks and remain an outstanding issue. We will end two-tier working and reverse the damage done by the previous Board and management team.
VOLUNTARY REDUNDANCY TERMS
In line with our agreement with EP Group we have been discussing an enhancement to the current VR terms which were unilaterally imposed by Royal Mail during the last dispute. We are confident we can improve these – whilst balancing this against the claim we are making on pay and other benefits.
USO NEGOTIATIONS
As part of our agreement with EP Group we are committed to reaching a settlement on USO reform as part of an overall national agreement. Just this week, OFCOM have publicly rebuked Royal Mail for publishing start dates for USO change on their website. OFCOM are making it clear that any decision on the USO will be made in the Summer of 2025 and Royal Mail have no remit to move ahead of this. Equally, we have made it clear that the current USO pilots must be completed, assessed and any fixes put in place before we reach a wider agreement.
We have words on the USO drafted and will be engaging the employer and EP Group on this over the weekend.
A COMPLETE RE-SET
Our agreement with EP Group commits to rebuilding Royal Mail. The only way this can happen is through re-setting relations in every workplace in the UK. Everything we have seen – daily breaches of the USO, the continued prioritisation of parcels and the general chaos culture must end.
This is a major first test of EP Group and the way they want to run Royal Mail.
IMPROVING SICK PAY / REDUCING AGENCY WORKERS / IMPROVING SA AND OVERTIME RATES
Our agreement with EP Group gave clear timelines on the above issues and we are putting in place processes to ensure these are abided by and that fresh settlements are delivered in all these areas.
WHO WOULD BE COVERED BY THE AGREEMENT IF AND WHEN REACHED?
All Royal Mail Group grades.
SUMMARY
The weekend and early part of next week is crucial. We will do everything possible to reach a full national agreement that can be voted on by the membership.
We hope the detail contained within this update gives you a greater understanding of the situation and the moment we have more news we will share it with you.
There is an urgent need to deliver an agreement. There is an even more urgent need to deliver the right agreement.
Martin Walsh
Deputy General Secretary Postal
Dave Ward
General Secretary
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
if you didn't laugh...toonshola wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 15:20Could have copy and pasted that statement from every single negotiation these chancers have been a part of over the last 5 years but insert EP group into the statement instead. It’s not good enough and we are being taken for a ride once again. There won’t be an agreement next week. Get Ward out.
'deal of the century' - dingo
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Deadly
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
I've always done my hardest to support the union but it's becoming like groundhog day.
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ted_e_bear
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
I see they've mentioned incentive scheme yet again
When it reared it's ugly head on the run up to Christmas two years ago our resident early starting break skipping doorstepping easy duty runners were heard to be referring to most of the rest of us as lazy bastards and much worse because we weren't completing which prevented the office from qualifying.
When it reared it's ugly head on the run up to Christmas two years ago our resident early starting break skipping doorstepping easy duty runners were heard to be referring to most of the rest of us as lazy bastards and much worse because we weren't completing which prevented the office from qualifying.
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TopperGas
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
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Walter sobchak
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
A quick question please.
Is the rejected 4% pay rise over 2 years or just 1 year?
Is the rejected 4% pay rise over 2 years or just 1 year?
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Postie123469753
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
Probably 3 yearsWalter sobchak wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 17:04A quick question please.
Is the rejected 4% pay rise over 2 years or just 1 year?
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yellowbelly
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
They (CWU) will absolutely NOT tell us. The offer they present us with will 'be the best we could negotiate' but they won't say what the others wereWalter sobchak wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 17:04A quick question please.
Is the rejected 4% pay rise over 2 years or just 1 year?
and so thousands of members will be presented with a 'take it because that's it' choice.
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Walter sobchak
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
Haha!!Postie123469753 wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 17:06Probably 3 yearsWalter sobchak wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 17:04A quick question please.
Is the rejected 4% pay rise over 2 years or just 1 year?![]()
Yeah, with a £100 bribe…..sorry lump sum thrown in .
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kazardaimenu
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
4% this year then 1% for the next two years and a chance to win a twix in the calendar if we have a strong ‘peak’.
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sindba
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Re: Royal Mail Group Negotiations – Update for CWU Members
Well 4% over 3 years would be a pretty big pay cut.Walter sobchak wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 17:04A quick question please.
Is the rejected 4% pay rise over 2 years or just 1 year?
So probably that.