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Salary sacrifice & min wage - LTB 064/25 - a freebie?

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yellowbelly
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Salary sacrifice & min wage - LTB 064/25 - a freebie?

Post by yellowbelly »

What! A freebie from RM? There must be a catch further down the line somewhere!!

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... lation.pdf



The important bit:
Royal Mail has advised us that to avoid the business breaching the law they will pay for individuals salary sacrifice items ahead of the pay rise so they are not disadvantaged.  This means that individuals who have been written to will not have any salary sacrifice reductions from their pay so that they will be above minimum wage ahead of the pay rise.
Oscar_Grouch
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Post by Oscar_Grouch »

My guess is not a freebie.

Just an IOU. Or more accurately WOT - We Owe Them

When the pay rise is agreed and implemented, anything that would normally have been paid up to that point will be taken back out of whatever backdated pay we receive.

We as individuals will have no idea if it's correct.

I'm remembering the payslip fiasco of a couple of years ago when everything basic/or/hp and whatever else was done line by line week by week and it couldn't all be put on our payslips
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And now the attack on the Wallington rotation starts. No one is working additional hours. No one is breaching the minimum wage. Walsh is talking like a boss when he starts saying these things. Before he sold out he used to defend the Wallys. Now he's spouting nonsense about 'extra hours'. By that very logic his favourite rotations for the new way of working are a breach of the minimum wage. The Wallys have always been a target and now the CWU are helping to get rid of them.
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

I kinda knew you would use this to attack the union.

The problem lies with the government's lack of flexibility over what it considers a Pay Reference Period:.

If someone is paid weekly, their pay reference period is one week. If they are paid monthly, it's one month.

Employers must ensure that all workers are paid at least the minimum wage for the hours worked in each pay reference period.

Time off in lieu (Toil) which is basically what the Wallington pattern is based around is not recognised by the NMW and hours worked during the Pay Reference Period are all counted for the purposes of the minimum wage.
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Post by chickenwittle »

tramssirhc wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 11:02
And now the attack on the Wallington rotation starts. No one is working additional hours. No one is breaching the minimum wage. Walsh is talking like a boss when he starts saying these things. Before he sold out he used to defend the Wallys. Now he's spouting nonsense about 'extra hours'. By that very logic his favourite rotations for the new way of working are a breach of the minimum wage. The Wallys have always been a target and now the CWU are helping to get rid of them.
You need a check up from the neck up , seriously.
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Post by Sean06 »

tramssirhc wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 11:02
And now the attack on the Wallington rotation starts. No one is working additional hours. No one is breaching the minimum wage. Walsh is talking like a boss when he starts saying these things. Before he sold out he used to defend the Wallys. Now he's spouting nonsense about 'extra hours'. By that very logic his favourite rotations for the new way of working are a breach of the minimum wage. The Wallys have always been a target and now the CWU are helping to get rid of them.
That is why mw is in position hes in an your on here spouting crap every post just to bash cwu.
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Post by Jefferson Starfish »

tramssirhc wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 11:02
And now the attack on the Wallington rotation starts. No one is working additional hours. No one is breaching the minimum wage. Walsh is talking like a boss when he starts saying these things. Before he sold out he used to defend the Wallys. Now he's spouting nonsense about 'extra hours'. By that very logic his favourite rotations for the new way of working are a breach of the minimum wage. The Wallys have always been a target and now the CWU are helping to get rid of them.
You really are a twerp!
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Post by anTi »

The main issue here is the fact we are so poorly paid that any tiny changes may bring some employees below the minimum wage which is pitiful as it is.
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Post by Perseus »

Pretty stark example of how much the minimum wage has caught up.
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

Perseus wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 18:55
Pretty stark example of how much the minimum wage has caught up.
I think the fact that our retention of new starts after 90 days is sitting around 25% is another stark example.

The business has gotten itself in a real recruitment and retention mess and that is likely to get worse with the USO reform proposals which are throwing up some serious issues over stress and fatigue.

I personally don't think the business can afford the kind of pay hike it will take to change that so as well as a decent pay rise there will have to be a real change in how the physical side of the delivery job is managed.
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Post by Perseus »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 19:06
Perseus wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 18:55
Pretty stark example of how much the minimum wage has caught up.
I think the fact that our retention of new starts after 90 days is sitting around 25% is another stark example.

The business has gotten itself in a real recruitment and retention mess and that is likely to get worse with the USO reform proposals which are throwing up some serious issues over stress and fatigue.

I personally don't think the business can afford the kind of pay hike it will take to change that so as well as a decent pay rise there will have to be a real change in how the physical side of the delivery job is managed.
I'd be amazed if they can find the money to level up new entrants plus give anything more than a BT type pay deal, 1% plus lump sum to existing staff.
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Re: Salary sacrifice & min wage - LTB 064/25 - a freebie?

Post by TopperGas »

yellowbelly wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 10:04
What! A freebie from RM? There must be a catch further down the line somewhere!!

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... lation.pdf



The important bit:
Royal Mail has advised us that to avoid the business breaching the law they will pay for individuals salary sacrifice items ahead of the pay rise so they are not disadvantaged.  This means that individuals who have been written to will not have any salary sacrifice reductions from their pay so that they will be above minimum wage ahead of the pay rise.
I assume RM don't have any choice in the matter as if they fail to act they could be fined for not paying the minimum wage?

Whilst the LTB states Wallington weeks are causing some issues it doesn't suggest what RM are doing to resolve those issues?
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Post by clashcityrocker »

Wouldn't a move to monthly pay sort this out?
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Post by Londonsburning »

Perseus wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 18:55
Pretty stark example of how much the minimum wage has caught up.
And rightly so tbf. Anything less than 12 quid an hour is absolutely living below the poverty line in this day and age.
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Re: Salary sacrifice & min wage - LTB 064/25 - a freebie?

Post by loyalsnail »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
03 Apr 2025, 13:52
I kinda knew you would use this to attack the union.

The problem lies with the government's lack of flexibility over what it considers a Pay Reference Period:.

If someone is paid weekly, their pay reference period is one week. If they are paid monthly, it's one month.

Employers must ensure that all workers are paid at least the minimum wage for the hours worked in each pay reference period.

Time off in lieu (Toil) which is basically what the Wallington pattern is based around is not recognised by the NMW and hours worked during the Pay Reference Period are all counted for the purposes of the minimum wage.
This. Hitting the nail on the head.

There is no conspiracy, it's all rooted in cold hard reality.