Seniority

VansFortress · Post by **VansFortress** » 05 Feb 2020, 12:13

If a full time walk becomes available in the office, how does seniority work? If a part time employee has 30 years seniority, do they get preference over a full time with 10 years seniority? Cheers

leolion855 · Post by **leolion855** » 05 Feb 2020, 12:38

Dont think so two seperate lists for full/part time duties.

deekster36 · Post by **deekster36** » 05 Feb 2020, 13:16

you shouldnt have two seperate lists anymore, outdoor time of dutys is the same we did away with ft/pt over 10 years ago.they were different years ago when a f/t was doing 2nd delivery and returned to office p/t didnt.should just be one big pick.

Post by **clockworkjerk** » 05 Feb 2020, 14:28

So if a new job goes up in his office who gets it?

the 30 year PT postie who now wants FT
OR
the 10 year FT postie who wants to change his duty

assuming they are the only two. my guess would be the 30 year one gets then his duty goes up.... after all the FT is already FT..... so that wouldnt then become vacanr.

pinstripe · Post by **pinstripe** » 05 Feb 2020, 15:09

I’d assume the more senior postie would get it, the added bonus to the DOM is that he can replace a f/t duty with a part timer and replace the p/t with another new part timer. The down side to the office is that the indoor part of the full time duty is now absorbed by the remaining full timers

postieblueshirt · Post by **postieblueshirt** » 05 Feb 2020, 15:30

Yeah all Duty lengths are the same just the indoor changes we have some pairings that are both p/t and these are prepped for them coming in I'm a fulltimer paired with another fulltimer

gary1975 · Post by **gary1975** » 05 Feb 2020, 17:08

30 year postie gets it if he wants it

Hitcher · Post by **Hitcher** » 05 Feb 2020, 21:34

Only full timers can sign for them in our office.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 05 Feb 2020, 22:29

Seniority is King as far as resigns are concerned. Postie working longest in the DO gets first choice whether they are full or part time. I don't necessarily think it's the best or the fairest system but it's what we have.

VansFortress · Post by **VansFortress** » 05 Feb 2020, 22:57

Appreciate all the replies. We have been told by DOM that it goes to full time staff first, even if they have less seniority. If this is wrong, What course of action needs to be taken? Thanks

ssdd · Post by **ssdd** » 05 Feb 2020, 23:03

Celgar wrote:Seniority is King as far as resigns are concerned. Postie working longest in the DO gets first choice whether they are full or part time. I don't necessarily think it's the best or the fairest system but it's what we have.

Why don't you think it's fairest/best? I think it is, otherwise what are you rating it on? Performance? Personality? Likes?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 06 Feb 2020, 07:00

What about with cases of "pay protection" where someone who's been receiving an allowance gets bumped off a duty which attracts that allowance?

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 06 Feb 2020, 10:35

SpacePhoenix wrote:What about with cases of "pay protection" where someone who's been receiving an allowance gets bumped off a duty which attracts that allowance?

I was part of a repick years ago and the office had about 6 duties with high top vans that attracted the extra payment if about £26 a week. Those duties where ring fenced in a sort of mini repick for the current people doing them, if they wanted to pick a duty without the allowance they could and lost the allowance and that spare duty could then be picked by anyone. They dient want to force people off duties otherwise I believe they got the payment for 3 years and the new duty holder would get it as well. So paying it to 2 people instead of 1 for the 3 years. Don't know if it's still the same now though

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 06 Feb 2020, 17:28

ssdd wrote:
Celgar wrote:Seniority is King as far as resigns are concerned. Postie working longest in the DO gets first choice whether they are full or part time. I don't necessarily think it's the best or the fairest system but it's what we have.
Why don't you think it's fairest/best? I think it is, otherwise what are you rating it on? Performance? Personality? Likes?

Hard to say what would be a better system. I know using the seniority to arrange annual leave upsets some people. Sort of the same thing with the capitalist system in that it's not a particularly good system and incredibly wasteful but what do you replace it with.

DGH · Post by **DGH** » 06 Feb 2020, 20:18

Celgar wrote:
ssdd wrote:
Celgar wrote:Seniority is King as far as resigns are concerned. Postie working longest in the DO gets first choice whether they are full or part time. I don't necessarily think it's the best or the fairest system but it's what we have.
Why don't you think it's fairest/best? I think it is, otherwise what are you rating it on? Performance? Personality? Likes?
Hard to say what would be a better system. I know using the seniority to arrange annual leave upsets some people. Sort of the same thing with the capitalist system in that it's not a particularly good system and incredibly wasteful but what do you replace it with.

A lottery would be fairer than seniority so far as walk allocation goes (especially if people were rotated around walks every 5-7 months or so - gosh! now watch people squeal at the very notion! - but you can bet walks would suddenly become a lot fairer as senior staff would then have an interest in ensuring better balance).

Alternatively, people could just be assigned to walks and lump it (which is basically what happens with jobs in every other industry). Seniority doesn't bother me much personally but I can see why so many people joining regard it as baffling and antiquated.

As an aside, using seniority to determine annual leave should upset people - doing that is illegal.