wallington weeks

deandean · Post by **deandean** » 02 Dec 2018, 07:33

can a dom remove wallingtons from an office because he does not like them ? we have a new dom who in fairness is a decent man and our office is a good place to work.to me this working pattern is a big part of my life.can it just be taken away or indeed given on the say so of who ever happens to be running the office.many thanks to all who take the time to reply.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 02 Dec 2018, 09:59

Of course he can't remove them because he "doesn't like them" but that's unlikely to be the reason he puts down when you go to disagreement.
Find out what his business justification is, then you'll know if you have a chance of stopping it.

arnold cheshire · Post by **arnold cheshire** » 02 Dec 2018, 14:56

It's unlikely to happen because he would owe everyone loads of days off don't worry

DGH · Post by **DGH** » 02 Dec 2018, 15:05

arnold cheshire wrote:It's unlikely to happen because he would owe everyone loads of days off don't worry

Not really, they could just expire at the end of a 6-week cycle.

Unfortunately the union (nationally) seem to have the position that 5-day weeks are best, so it'd depend on how hard your office rep is prepared to fight for keeping 6-day working. And there's no doubt that RM want everyone on 5-day weeks sooner or later.

So I would be a bit worried at the moment and very concerned about the next 2-3 years as Back pushes for greater 'efficiency', which is generally seen as having 'uniformity' as a key component (and quite erroneously, but RM like monolithic and procedural 'solutions' rather than flexible and outcome-based ones).

arnold cheshire · Post by **arnold cheshire** » 02 Dec 2018, 15:35

DGH wrote:
arnold cheshire wrote:It's unlikely to happen because he would owe everyone loads of days off don't worry
Not really, they could just expire at the end of a 6-week cycle.

Unfortunately the union (nationally) seem to have the position that 5-day weeks are best, so it'd depend on how hard your office rep is prepared to fight for keeping 6-day working. And there's no doubt that RM want everyone on 5-day weeks sooner or later.

So I would be a bit worried at the moment and very concerned about the next 2-3 years as Back pushes for greater 'efficiency', which is generally seen as having 'uniformity' as a key component (and quite erroneously, but RM like monolithic and procedural 'solutions' rather than flexible and outcome-based ones).

So after your rota week you are on a five day week . Have they been removed anywhere where 95 percent of the office are on them before?

arnold cheshire · Post by **arnold cheshire** » 02 Dec 2018, 15:37

Dims will do what they want . We had four day week removed

arnold cheshire · Post by **arnold cheshire** » 02 Dec 2018, 16:32

It still would be a lot of confusion expiring after your rota . Six weeks of expecting postie's to do other duties etc

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 02 Dec 2018, 17:07

Also they would have to deal with the mess around annual leave, people will have booked leave around their rest week plus extra days will have to be credited due to booking 6 days holiday instead of 5 if you're on the Wallington system

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 02 Dec 2018, 18:39

arnold cheshire wrote:Dims will do what they want . We had four day week removed

they did it at our office about 3 or 4 yrs ago now. we had 9 day fortnights and some were 3 weeks on, and a week off. the DOM got the rep on his side and they came up with the justification that there was not enough work to enable us to have these shift patterns. we suggested ''longs and shorts'' i.e. short Monday and Tuesdays and longer hours rest of the week, so we could keep our shift patterns. they said no, because longer days would mean they would have to give us 10 mins extra meal break when we went over 9 hours on the longer days. this would cost the company more. also they said if we were insistent on keeping them, then 9 jobs would be lost from our office.....they brought the branch in, and we were told we could vote on new shift patterns but NOT for our existing shift patterns. in other words we could not invoke the 'status quo'. we all felt we had be sold down the river, but they got their way and our beloved shift patterns were confined to history. we've also been told that RM want this to happen nationwide, so expect it to happen sooner or later.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 02 Dec 2018, 20:21

I suspect RM will try and move every office to a 5 day week. You could lodge a disagreement with the Union over changing working shifts but inevitably it will come to nothing if your office doesn't stand up and strike over it. Thats the top and bottom of it. Sadly, I find that there are far too many guys who are led to believe that if you go along, you get along.

Post by **rambo1** » 03 Dec 2018, 11:10

arnold cheshire wrote:Dims will do what they want . We had four day week removed

Exactly. We had half the office on 9 day fortnight shift pattern. Brilliant work life balance, four days off in a row, every 4 weeks, fantastic, you actually could have a life away from work. Union and Dom got rid and we're now all on 1 in 6. Only get more than one day off in a row 8 times a yr now. Crap. Most leave reserves don't even get that. They WILL do what they want. Believe me.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 03 Dec 2018, 16:41

I agree. and any offices that are still on 9 day fortnights and 3 over 4s will eventually be moved to 5 days. its what RM want. having said that, 'IF' we do go down to 35 hrs, then I think they will have no option than to introduce a 4 day week nationwide.

DGH · Post by **DGH** » 03 Dec 2018, 16:54

RM would much rather have part timers in 5 days a week contracted for 5 hours or so a day because there's far more chance of those staff needing the overtime on the busier days, and it's that which is driving the move to less flexible working patterns (like 9/fortnight, 6 day weeks with a week off, 4 day weeks, etc).

The 35 hour week will only come with us accepting unpaid breaks (which would put us pretty much there already).

But whatever happens, the push to universal 5 day weeks by RM will be remorseless and basically unopposed by the union. Rico Back's track record speaks for itself and his definition of a flexible workforce doesn't appear on the face of it to include the company being flexible.

ewancurze · Post by **ewancurze** » 03 Dec 2018, 16:57

arnold cheshire wrote:Dims will do what they want . We had four day week removed

Same at ours, no consultation just several royally pissed off posties!

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 03 Dec 2018, 17:01

I really cannot for the life of me see the union agreeing to unpaid breaks. they fought for years to get those. maybe give up ten minutes of it unpaid but not all of it. ten mins would see RM claw back almost an hour of the shorter working week. that would appease them....maybe