How many delivered mail per hour

[Matt123]

At my office the walks are totally unfair some have 300 doors and some 700
How many doors/stops do the RM expect you to do an hour
Is there a minimum ?

[danterossetti]

No.

[miles_peters]

I don't think its about the amount of doors, I think its the distance. so for instance a rural delivery would have less doors but it takes longer to get to certain area's/doors than it does on a town delivery

where I do think its unfair is prepping doors to doors, so a town delivery may have to prep double what a rural delivery would

[DGH]

The number of calls makes a small difference to time but the distance is the larger factor in most cases. But door to doors, especially if the '1/6 per day' rule is actually followed, are much more time consuming, especially when prep is taken into account.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

At my office the walks are totally unfair some have 300 doors and some 700
How many doors/stops do the RM expect you to do an hour
Is there a minimum ?

One of our singleton deliveries has 900 delivery points but people clamour to cover it when the regular is off.

Another singleton delivery has less than 250 but people avoid it like the plague.

Why the difference - A is nearly all back to back. B is all large detached houses with drives and lawns etc.

The amout of DPs has some bearing, but the distance travelled, the number of packets, the mail profile and distance from the office all have a larger impact.

[yubin282]

it supposed to even out you might have 900 delivery points but they could all be terraced streets with no gardens/gates another delivery might only have 400 but have long paths etc

[Ozzvaldo]

One of our HCT deliveries has over 1000 DPs and there are quite a few other duties, some with only half that number of DPs, that are by general consent "bigger" rounds.

[postslippete]

At my office the walks are totally unfair some have 300 doors and some 700
How many doors/stops do the RM expect you to do an hour
Is there a minimum ?

One of our singleton deliveries has 900 delivery points but people clamour to cover it when the regular is off.

Another singleton delivery has less than 250 but people avoid it like the plague.

Why the difference - A is nearly all back to back. B is all large detached houses with drives and lawns etc.

The amout of DPs has some bearing, but the distance travelled, the number of packets, the mail profile and distance from the office all have a larger impact.

Ha, that's the exact opposite in our office!!

We have a duty that has over 1,000 delivery points (and is still growing due to new housing estate) and nobody wants to do it. The frame is all double slots, gets tons of packets and is just a nightmare to prep, sort and deliver.


Whereas the duty with less than 300 calls is a singleton rural van delivery. You probably only take out 2 or 3 trays of mail. Very easy to prep, yes there are a few farms, better area with no one going to cause you problems on the street and that. And often they don't get post! Oh, and also its so easy delivering the D2Ds as well because you put them all in on a Monday and you could be done by Wednesday.

[NewPostieUK]

We have a duty that has over 1,000 delivery points (and is still growing due to new housing estate).

I don't understand this bit. How can they add to a duty? Has it been a doddle for years? Was a mistake made when planned?

Surely new estates mean new duties and more jobs?

[NewPostieUK]

At my office the walks are totally unfair some have 300 doors and some 700
How many doors/stops do the RM expect you to do an hour
Is there a minimum ?

No. It's all about time. Duties before the revision were based on 3.5 hrs outdoor, and post revision, 4.5hrs. You can do more terraced streets than streets with big detached houses with long drives in the same time.

My duty is a semi-rural with 270 stops. It often takes me 6 hrs, but I'm not quick. It's had runners in the past, who would do it in 4.5 or 5 hrs. It's hard but i rarely take lapsing, and they wouldn't dare try to add anything to it.

[Matt123]

Wow some of you guys have some crazy walks

[Ozzvaldo]

We have a duty that has over 1,000 delivery points (and is still growing due to new housing estate).

I don't understand this bit. How can they add to a duty? Has it been a doddle for years? Was a mistake made when planned?

Surely new estates mean new duties and more jobs?

I've been with RM for over 25 years and not once has development generated new duties/realignment of neighbouring walks etc other than the management simply lumping the new houses wholesale onto the single nearest delivery. Not once....and plenty of development has taken place in my town since I started.

There is a new 50 house "executive" development (long driveways, plenty of walking between each detached property) happening right now which is earmarked for a walk which is already too big and goes over time fairly regularly. All that the duty holder hears from the DOM is the usual, "Mail's dropping, therefore it should be manageable"

[SpacePhoenix]

All that the duty holder hears from the DOM is the usual, "Mail's dropping, therefore it should be manageable"

Addressed letter mail has definitely dropped a lot, when you look at the sizes of the sequencing batches compared with a few years ago and flats have dropped a lot judging by the number of boxes of flats from other MCs where they've run packets, manual letters and mech mail (that should have gone through an IMP or iLSM) through their T2K machines to justify the use of them (wouldn't surprise me to see RM start decommissioning T2K machines at some point)

[lightningpostman]

All that the duty holder hears from the DOM is the usual, "Mail's dropping, therefore it should be manageable"

Addressed letter mail has definitely dropped a lot, when you look at the sizes of the sequencing batches compared with a few years ago and flats have dropped a lot judging by the number of boxes of flats from other MCs where they've run packets, manual letters and mech mail (that should have gone through an IMP or iLSM) through their T2K machines to justify the use of them (wouldn't surprise me to see RM start decommissioning T2K machines at some point)

please take into account if mail is down, the amount of parcels have gone through the roof and parcels take alot longer then to slip a few bit of mail through the post box.

parcel revenue has grown year on year, yet parcels have not had any impact on waalk sizes nor workload

[Ozzvaldo]

All that the duty holder hears from the DOM is the usual, "Mail's dropping, therefore it should be manageable"

Addressed letter mail has definitely dropped a lot, when you look at the sizes of the sequencing batches compared with a few years ago and flats have dropped a lot judging by the number of boxes of flats from other MCs where they've run packets, manual letters and mech mail (that should have gone through an IMP or iLSM) through their T2K machines to justify the use of them (wouldn't surprise me to see RM start decommissioning T2K machines at some point)

Unfortunately, in regards to this particular discussion anyway, packets and parcels aren't dropping, and in a town where we still deliver the Amazon contract in huge quantities we're spending more and more time knocking on doors, waiting for an answer, delivering to neighbours etc.

Not only that, as a fairly isolated town with poor shopping facilities, other packet and parcel streams are continuing to rise hand over fist as people turn to the internet for their shopping. While letter volumes are indeed noticeably down, this is easily compensated by our packet volumes....the work that puts significant time into the delivery function.

I think some of the users to this forum would be amazed if they were to visit my unit and witness some of the frames in my office utterly stuffed with packets. Many of the the shared van deliveries then have 30-40 large parcels on top. We've had a couple of people transfer in from other parts of the country recently who have really struggled to get to grips with the workload compared to what they experienced in their previous offices.

I realise that most offices probably don't have to contend with the particular factors that determine our workload, but what I've written is happening now, in traditionally the quietest time of the year. Most people can't complete, mail is being left, arguing over lapsing etc.

Our packet volumes, In August, are probably comparable to Christmas Pressure levels of 5 or 6 years ago. The "Mail's down" mantra certainly applies to letter mail but DOMs all over the country seem to be conveniently forgetting the "elephant in the room" that is packets an parcels.