MRM.COM : RMtv Agreement Delivery Q&A

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 10 May 2018, 15:35

POSTMAN wrote:

now if this doesn't sink in with the

who start early for nothing or not take a break and run round to get a flyer then theres no hope for them and by the heres some more loops for yer

, doing away with the paper stuff ? is that clocking in and out machines then

about time imo.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 10 May 2018, 18:19

Who is this guru?

I've always thought that there is a lot of common sense in bringing up the business to work 7 till 7pm, especially when a lot of customers work during the day and would rather have their parcels delivered on a night. Also, good to know that most offices start times remain unchanged.

I don't doubt that PDA technology opens up a wealth of opportunities which are focused on the customer. That is a good thing. But giving estimated times on delivery won't always be as efficient when Royal Mail have a tendency to cut costs and lapse it instead. Some guys take their lapsing before they do their own duty, some during their round and some after their 5.5 hour delivery span. Then again the 'in-flight' information does have rather a large window so why not just extend it to say something like 'delivery will be somewhere between 9 and 4' and everything would be covered!

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 10 May 2018, 19:05

postslippete wrote:Who is this guru?

I've always thought that there is a lot of common sense in bringing up the business to work 7 till 7pm, especially when a lot of customers work during the day and would rather have their parcels delivered on a night. Also, good to know that most offices start times remain unchanged.

I don't doubt that PDA technology opens up a wealth of opportunities which are focused on the customer. That is a good thing. But giving estimated times on delivery won't always be as efficient when Royal Mail have a tendency to cut costs and lapse it instead. Some guys take their lapsing before they do their own duty, some during their round and some after their 5.5 hour delivery span. Then again the 'in-flight' information does have rather a large window so why not just extend it to say something like 'delivery will be somewhere between 9 and 4' and everything would be covered!

according to this guru lapsing if you have time , and some guys do 2-3 extra loops on o/t and still get finished before there finish time , 5.5 delivery spans more like 6.5 - 7 , but the pdas will pick all this up

, happy days .

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 10 May 2018, 20:10

postslippete wrote:Who is this guru?

I've always thought that there is a lot of common sense in bringing up the business to work 7 till 7pm, especially when a lot of customers work during the day and would rather have their parcels delivered on a night. Also, good to know that most offices start times remain unchanged.

I don't doubt that PDA technology opens up a wealth of opportunities which are focused on the customer. That is a good thing. But giving estimated times on delivery won't always be as efficient when Royal Mail have a tendency to cut costs and lapse it instead. Some guys take their lapsing before they do their own duty, some during their round and some after their 5.5 hour delivery span. Then again the 'in-flight' information does have rather a large window so why not just extend it to say something like 'delivery will be somewhere between 9 and 4' and everything would be covered!

I haven't watched the video yet but I will. I think most long term posties will agree that the earlier you can get out on delivery the more likely you will catch customers in to receive parcels. Most offices will NOT see start times unchanged. IF we get the next two hours of SWW implemented that will move start times forward for every office by 24 minutes. Then there are the effects of the LAT to take into consideration which have not been fully realised. So SWW and LAT together could easily move start times forward by one hour for some offices.
In our DO for example our delivery spans are already at six hours and before all the agreement **** hits the fan we already have higher management heaping pressure on our DOM to get more lapsing or absorption. Our DOM will resist this pressure for the time being but PDA actuals etc will probably break our defence unless we stand together.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 10 May 2018, 20:31

Celgar wrote:
postslippete wrote:Who is this guru?

I've always thought that there is a lot of common sense in bringing up the business to work 7 till 7pm, especially when a lot of customers work during the day and would rather have their parcels delivered on a night. Also, good to know that most offices start times remain unchanged.

I don't doubt that PDA technology opens up a wealth of opportunities which are focused on the customer. That is a good thing. But giving estimated times on delivery won't always be as efficient when Royal Mail have a tendency to cut costs and lapse it instead. Some guys take their lapsing before they do their own duty, some during their round and some after their 5.5 hour delivery span. Then again the 'in-flight' information does have rather a large window so why not just extend it to say something like 'delivery will be somewhere between 9 and 4' and everything would be covered!
I haven't watched the video yet but I will. I think most long term posties will agree that the earlier you can get out on delivery the more likely you will catch customers in to receive parcels. Most offices will NOT see start times unchanged. IF we get the next two hours of SWW implemented that will move start times forward for every office by 24 minutes. Then there are the effects of the LAT to take into consideration which have not been fully realised. So SWW and LAT together could easily move start times forward by one hour for some offices.
In our DO for example our delivery spans are already at six hours and before all the agreement **** hits the fan we already have higher management heaping pressure on our DOM to get more lapsing or absorption. Our DOM will resist this pressure for the time being but PDA actuals etc will probably break our defence unless we stand together.

so do you mean by stand together as in no free work , start on your time , take your breaks , and use the methods ? as instructed by the cwu and royal mail in 2007 when p&l came in ?

UnhappyGremlin · Post by **UnhappyGremlin** » 10 May 2018, 21:43

Pre-approved questions. Joke.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 10 May 2018, 21:56

UnhappyGremlin wrote:Pre-approved questions. Joke.

whats the joke ? these are the questions most in delivery would ask about the pda actuals and how they will be used , all I have to say is RUNNERS BEWARE, but these people when they kop for more work will run to the reps for help , tuff s**t its to late now . I hope they have enjoyed being paid while sat at home , it will all end in tears .

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 10 May 2018, 22:24

worktotime wrote:
postslippete wrote:Who is this guru?

I've always thought that there is a lot of common sense in bringing up the business to work 7 till 7pm, especially when a lot of customers work during the day and would rather have their parcels delivered on a night. Also, good to know that most offices start times remain unchanged.

I don't doubt that PDA technology opens up a wealth of opportunities which are focused on the customer. That is a good thing. But giving estimated times on delivery won't always be as efficient when Royal Mail have a tendency to cut costs and lapse it instead. Some guys take their lapsing before they do their own duty, some during their round and some after their 5.5 hour delivery span. Then again the 'in-flight' information does have rather a large window so why not just extend it to say something like 'delivery will be somewhere between 9 and 4' and everything would be covered!
according to this guru lapsing if you have time , and some guys do 2-3 extra loops on o/t and still get finished before there finish time , 5.5 delivery spans more like 6.5 - 7 , but the pdas will pick all this up , happy days .

And those people who do the extra loops on overtime now will just slow down. What can they say to them? Why are you working slower than you used to? Why aren't you working twice as fast as other people to get twice as much work done as other people? If they can use PDA actuals to make them speed up they will use it on the ones who are always cutting off or claiming

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 10 May 2018, 22:42

worktotime wrote:
Celgar wrote:
postslippete wrote:Who is this guru?

I've always thought that there is a lot of common sense in bringing up the business to work 7 till 7pm, especially when a lot of customers work during the day and would rather have their parcels delivered on a night. Also, good to know that most offices start times remain unchanged.

I don't doubt that PDA technology opens up a wealth of opportunities which are focused on the customer. That is a good thing. But giving estimated times on delivery won't always be as efficient when Royal Mail have a tendency to cut costs and lapse it instead. Some guys take their lapsing before they do their own duty, some during their round and some after their 5.5 hour delivery span. Then again the 'in-flight' information does have rather a large window so why not just extend it to say something like 'delivery will be somewhere between 9 and 4' and everything would be covered!
I haven't watched the video yet but I will. I think most long term posties will agree that the earlier you can get out on delivery the more likely you will catch customers in to receive parcels. Most offices will NOT see start times unchanged. IF we get the next two hours of SWW implemented that will move start times forward for every office by 24 minutes. Then there are the effects of the LAT to take into consideration which have not been fully realised. So SWW and LAT together could easily move start times forward by one hour for some offices.
In our DO for example our delivery spans are already at six hours and before all the agreement **** hits the fan we already have higher management heaping pressure on our DOM to get more lapsing or absorption. Our DOM will resist this pressure for the time being but PDA actuals etc will probably break our defence unless we stand together.
so do you mean by stand together as in no free work , start on your time , take your breaks , and use the methods ? as instructed by the cwu and royal mail in 2007 when p&l came in ?

Yes. RM now have the ability to see precisely what is going on for the most part. It doesn't mean we should hang about but I think it also means the naturally really fast posties have to use their heads and come closer to the pace that others work at. The alternative is that even more hours and probably walks would be lost, capacity within our business will decrease further, and our jobs really will become a complete **** to do. Doing things like not coming in thirty or forty minutes before time and taking all our break times(preferably when we choose to)within duty time will go a long way to us using up all our duty time. In the event that this makes walks go over duty time, which is highly likely, then walks will have to be redesigned and maybe more walks will be made. I think we can turn this around so it can be good for posties providing RM plays fair.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 11 May 2018, 00:01

the naturally really fast posties

Steppers;grass cutters; rip the stickers off; don' t bother scanning 2d; the long drive is always a miss-sort ; I don't use a trolley ,the driver can do my second bag of packets; forget seat belts; van open ,keys in ignition ,engine running; I know lots of these naturally really fast posties, all a bunch of cowboys

Robertdeniro · Post by **Robertdeniro** » 11 May 2018, 05:25

If only this was true....as I sit here at 5.24 am just about to get ready for the 6.15 start i know people will already be in working for FREE!!!!!

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 11 May 2018, 06:02

BELIAL wrote:
the naturally really fast posties

Steppers;grass cutters; rip the stickers off; don' t bother scanning 2d; the long drive is always a miss-sort ; I don't use a trolley ,the driver can do my second bag of packets; forget seat belts; van open ,keys in ignition ,engine running; I know lots of these naturally really fast posties, all a bunch of cowboys

, and don't forget starting at least an hour early .

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 11 May 2018, 06:05

Robertdeniro wrote:If only this was true....as I sit here at 5.24 am just about to get ready for the 6.15 start i know people will already be in working for FREE!!!!!

to true

, but when job and knock is taken away with clocking out will it be worth it ?

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 11 May 2018, 15:12

I thought he was funny when he presented Eurotrash.