The reality of SWW

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If you are a full timer, you will see little benefit when there is an hour reduction each year. They will dress it up as so many minutes a day but in reality you will be expected to do the same amount of graft as you are today.
If you are a part timer, you will see a pay rise for no extra graft.
Just my opinion.

[Red Robbo]

If you are a full timer, you will see little benefit when there is an hour reduction each year. They will dress it up as so many minutes a day but in reality you will be expected to do the same amount of graft as you are today.
If you are a part timer, you will see a pay rise for no extra graft.
Just my opinion.

In a nutshell then Banner your opinion is F/T members will do the same amount of work in a week on a win some, lose some, finish early one day that will be your reduction. Where as P/T will get a pay rise for doing practically nothing, is this a P/T charter ?

[Danelectro]

If you are a full timer, you will see little benefit when there is an hour reduction each year. They will dress it up as so many minutes a day but in reality you will be expected to do the same amount of graft as you are today.
If you are a part timer, you will see a pay rise for no extra graft.
Just my opinion.

If during the review the CWU agree with RM to dial up the indoor and geo route then yes we get less time for doing the same workload as before but that would effect P/T as much as F/T

Of course reps and members want the agreed tools to do the opposite of the above as it's what's driving the B&H in deliveries.The problem is we are being asked to sign on the dotted line before knowing what a delivery will look like from now on.

It's a lucky bag deal in more ways than one.

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I am applying the logic to outdoor/delivery workers. They will never reduce the size of the delivery rounds. The only chance is that when they plan to increase the workload, instead they don't increase it as a pay off for the reduction in the working week.

[Martin Walsh]

The sad reality is that more work is coming in machinable than ever before. Royal Mail do not want you to sort into frames but merge work indoor reducing indoor time further. Parcels will over the next couple of years all be bar coded and will come to you in a manifest.

The simple reality is that if you stay on a 39 hour week and your indoor time is reduced than you will have to do a longer delivery span.

Remember Royal Mail will have Automated Hours Data Capture which will know when you start in the morning , when you leave the floor and when you leave the office to commence delivery and if you return to office after completion on top of this they will have PDA actuals which can they track you out on delivery the route you go , where you stop and when you finish. They are also developing a Resourcing and revision tool called final mile Optimisation which feeds all the information into and can produce a weekly set of walks rather than having the same number of walks 52 weeks per year.

So these are the reasons why the shorter working week is needed and if you don’t support the shorter working week than your suppprting a longer delivery span as Royal Mail want you to work all paid hours and the new technology gives them visability like never before.

The hour off the working week will only be on the basis you said ie doing the same amount of work in 38 hours that you did if the data on your duties PDA actuals show that you were finishing early and therefore you can absorb the reduction in the working week.

If you cannot absorb the hour because the PDA actuals show you can than Royal Mail will invest as this is stated in the agreement .

The shorter working week is a no brainier with what is coming in the future from not sorting the first wave in the frame , the parcel strategy , D2D automation and the changing mix of Mail.

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The sad reality is that more work is coming in machinable than ever before. Royal Mail do not want you to sort into frames but merge work indoor reducing indoor time further. Parcels will over the next couple of years all be bar coded and will come to you in a manifest.

The simple reality is that if you stay on a 39 hour week and your indoor time is reduced than you will have to do a longer delivery span.

Remember Royal Mail will have Automated Hours Data Capture which will know when you start in the morning , when you leave the floor and when you leave the office to commence delivery and if you return to office after completion on top of this they will have PDA actuals which can they track you out on delivery the route you go , where you stop and when you finish. They are also developing a Resourcing and revision tool called final mile Optimisation which feeds all the information into and can produce a weekly set of walks rather than having the same number of walks 52 weeks per year.

So these are the reasons why the shorter working week is needed and if you don’t support the shorter working week than your suppprting a longer delivery span as Royal Mail want you to work all paid hours and the new technology gives them visability like never before.

The hour off the working week will only be on the basis you said ie doing the same amount of work in 38 hours that you did if the data on your duties PDA actuals show that you were finishing early and therefore you can absorb the reduction in the working week.

If you cannot absorb the hour because the PDA actuals show you can than Royal Mail will invest as this is stated in the agreement .

The shorter working week is a no brainier with what is coming in the future from not sorting the first wave in the frame , the parcel strategy , D2D automation and the changing mix of Mail.

I agree with you that under this model things will be completely different, but over the next few years while it is implemented, full timers will be expected to do the same work as they do now, regardless of any reduction in hours.

[fishtank]

If you cannot absorb the hour because the PDA actuals show you can than Royal Mail will invest as this is stated in the agreement .

Who gets access to the PDA actuals?

When do we get access to the PDA actuals?

What is the reference period for the PDA actuals?

Since the PDA actuals only relate to outdoor activities and I'm assuming the whole point of the SWW is to reduce exposure to a reduction in indoor workload what have the PDA actuals got to do with whether you can absorb the SWW?

[Danelectro]

The sad reality is that more work is coming in machinable than ever before. Royal Mail do not want you to sort into frames but merge work indoor reducing indoor time further. Parcels will over the next couple of years all be bar coded and will come to you in a manifest.

The simple reality is that if you stay on a 39 hour week and your indoor time is reduced than you will have to do a longer delivery span.

Remember Royal Mail will have Automated Hours Data Capture which will know when you start in the morning , when you leave the floor and when you leave the office to commence delivery and if you return to office after completion on top of this they will have PDA actuals which can they track you out on delivery the route you go , where you stop and when you finish. They are also developing a Resourcing and revision tool called final mile Optimisation which feeds all the information into and can produce a weekly set of walks rather than having the same number of walks 52 weeks per year.

So these are the reasons why the shorter working week is needed and if you don’t support the shorter working week than your suppprting a longer delivery span as Royal Mail want you to work all paid hours and the new technology gives them visability like never before.

The hour off the working week will only be on the basis you said ie doing the same amount of work in 38 hours that you did if the data on your duties PDA actuals show that you were finishing early and therefore you can absorb the reduction in the working week.

If you cannot absorb the hour because the PDA actuals show you can than Royal Mail will invest as this is stated in the agreement .

The shorter working week is a no brainier with what is coming in the future from not sorting the first wave in the frame , the parcel strategy , D2D automation and the changing mix of Mail.

You paint a picture of an employer with Orwellian powers over its workforce (final mile optimisation-mutual interest) but it's the unions job to protect us from such an employer and it was one of the final promises by the GS before negotiations concluded that 'we have to get resourcing right this time' so where are the CWU at on getting resourcing right this time and where are the CWU at with merging mail on the street.

Working conditions are what drove support for the 4Pillars and we need to know more of what the working conditions will look like and how we will able to defend members before the vote.

[Sugar]

The sad reality is that more work is coming in machinable than ever before. Royal Mail do not want you to sort into frames but merge work indoor reducing indoor time further. Parcels will over the next couple of years all be bar coded and will come to you in a manifest.

The simple reality is that if you stay on a 39 hour week and your indoor time is reduced than you will have to do a longer delivery span.

Remember Royal Mail will have Automated Hours Data Capture which will know when you start in the morning , when you leave the floor and when you leave the office to commence delivery and if you return to office after completion on top of this they will have PDA actuals which can they track you out on delivery the route you go , where you stop and when you finish. They are also developing a Resourcing and revision tool called final mile Optimisation which feeds all the information into and can produce a weekly set of walks rather than having the same number of walks 52 weeks per year.

So these are the reasons why the shorter working week is needed and if you don’t support the shorter working week than your suppprting a longer delivery span as Royal Mail want you to work all paid hours and the new technology gives them visability like never before.

The hour off the working week will only be on the basis you said ie doing the same amount of work in 38 hours that you did if the data on your duties PDA actuals show that you were finishing early and therefore you can absorb the reduction in the working week.

If you cannot absorb the hour because the PDA actuals show you can than Royal Mail will invest as this is stated in the agreement .

The shorter working week is a no brainier with what is coming in the future from not sorting the first wave in the frame , the parcel strategy , D2D automation and the changing mix of Mail.

All that is good on paper Dingo but our DOm yesterday basically told the workforce it'll be business as usual with people being able to go home when they're done.

How are the union and RM going to police DO's so that managers are not interpreting this agreement to suit their own ends?

I can see our place being the same as always, early starters, runners, packets dumped anywhere and everywhere, meal reliefs not being taken, items signed for by OPG's, trolley's nowhere to be seen, overweight bags, van checks not done and managers turning a blind eye to it all so that the office gets cleared. If anyone dares to do the job to the letter they just get hammered. And before anyone asks the office reps starts before their time, throws in all their D2D's in one go, doesn't use a trolley and the area rep is about as much use as a paper umbrella in a monsoon.

[Martin Walsh]

Listen a union can protect terms and conditions but it cannot change the fact Technlogy is advancing so fast , driver less lorries / cars , robots doing amazon warehouse work .

The digital revouloution apart from the odd birthdays card or cheque you posted when was the last letter you posted ? .

Can you imagine a car company saying we no longer building the mini because no one is buying it and we can’t make a profit but we are now going to build rover as this is the growing market and we will make a profit ?

Do you think the union can veto this change ? Or that we can ingnore the technlogy advances.

This union has got good pay , pensions stop later finishes and some other significant changes but you can not get those advances and not accept change which I’ll see the company grow in revenue from the changing marketplace

[fishtank]

This union has got good pay , pensions stop later finishes

It's not a good pay offer dingo, especially year 3, it's a tiny fraction better than what the mediator recommended.

It's certainly not a good pension solution, it is not a wage in retirement, it's an ambition of a defined contribution scheme without any individual control, in some ways it's worse than a DC scheme, and it might never happen.

As for later finishes that only applies to LAT products and a lot of members are going to find out the hard way that being on the good list does not stop Royal Mail from trying to move to later finishes due to mailcentre restructuring and network optimisation.

[SpacePhoenix]

The sad reality is that more work is coming in machinable than ever before. Royal Mail do not want you to sort into frames but merge work indoor reducing indoor time further.

It will only be machinable if RM invest in new machines. The new machines will need to be able to sort/sequence letters and flats together. There isn't the amount of flats to justify the cost of any machine that would only be used for flats

Parcels will over the next couple of years all be bar coded and will come to you in a manifest.

Think that'll be more than a couple of years away, what about all the foreign parcels that don't have barcodes, or parcels that have been posted in letter boxes. What about meter mail? For every parcel to have a barcode you'd have to require every customer to use the internet to log into some sort of system to ensure that you don't get duplicate barcodes being used

[Danelectro]

Listen a union can protect terms and conditions but it cannot change the fact Technlogy is advancing so fast , driver less lorries / cars , robots doing amazon warehouse work .

The digital revouloution apart from the odd birthdays card or cheque you posted when was the last letter you posted ? .

Can you imagine a car company saying we no longer building the mini because no one is buying it and we can’t make a profit but we are now going to build rover as this is the growing market and we will make a profit ?

Do you think the union can veto this change ? Or that we can ingnore the technlogy advances.

This union has got good pay , pensions stop later finishes and some other significant changes but you can not get those advances and not accept change which I’ll see the company grow in revenue from the changing marketplace

Your missing the point.The current agreements covering revision process and delivery design are not good enough to protect members.Why has no study been commissioned on the impact of longer deliveries which should have been there to reference during negotiations? IHR going through the roof but doesn't seem to have come up on the negotiators radar.

The CWU have agreed 6 hour delivery span for park and loop deliveries yet don't think there is a difference between a delivery mainly delivery up long driveways to one delivering up and down stairs for the whole span.Should extra fatigue breaks be agreed for the more demanding delivery type or are the CWU not interested in muscular skeletal issues anymore which used to always come up when the span was 2.45 hours.

No worries about data capture as it will show that there no spare time,it's the issue of any difference in time between different individuals that will be used against members and left to the local rep to find the words to defend them as HQ can't be arsed.

[Phantom]

You have a start time and a finishing time. When the week is shorter then you have a choice to make, overtime or work to time?

[fishtank]

You have a start time and a finishing time. When the week is shorter then you have a choice to make, overtime or work to time?

If things were so simple we wouldn't be having a national discussion about unachievable workloads, resourcing and unacceptable pressure on staff.

If you're in an office with a strong rep and a manager who will accept this position think yourself lucky but don't assume that everyone works in the same situation, has union or colleague support and wishes to start every working day with a confrontation.