overlooked for full time-performance issues!

turnyitb · Post by **turnyitb** » 18 Jan 2018, 18:32

I am on a part time 30 hour contract over 5 days and have been with the business over 4 years.
In November there a number of part timers made up to full time in my office including a couple of people that started the same day as me and a couple who started 3 months after me.
I waited a while thinking I would be asked but nothing materialised so I went in to see my Dom to ask why people with lower seniority than me had been made up but I hadn't.
The Dom was very abrupt with me and claiming I was overlooked due to performance issues and basically tough s**t!
In 4 years I have never been conduct coded or been told by anyone manager or otherwise that I have problems doing the job.
in the 4 years I have been pushed from pillar to post, worked 95% of the walks in the office (big office) and been shipped out many times to 6 or more other local offices.
Often I come in at 8-30am , even now, to unprepped or partially prepped frames and have to prep before I go out often leaving not enough time to complete the delivery.

now this is what I think is the problem. I have young children I regularly have to pick up from school so the days I can work over are limited so on days when I come in to a frame that's unprepped I end up leaving some behind or cutting off. I always follow procedure when doing this.
when possible I do stay out and finish and come in early on a majority of days when asked but compared with others I don't do a great deal of overtime.

the union rep doesn't want to know as I am not in the union so what I would like to know is where do I stand regards my seniority being overlooked when staff are offered full time and is there a worthwhile grievance procedure for a non union postie?
2 months on I have not had any suggestions or training regards my supposed "performance issues" and the Dom hasn't mentioned it again.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 18 Jan 2018, 18:45

You don't have to be in the Union to make a formal grievance against your employer but in situations like this the CWU will help you out, tell you exactly what you need to write and fight your corner.

ebbzie · Post by **ebbzie** » 18 Jan 2018, 18:58

Of course the union rep doesnt want to know. Why do you think most people pay subs each week? If we all got free rep support no one would pay them

turnyitb · Post by **turnyitb** » 18 Jan 2018, 19:03

ebbzie wrote:Of course the union rep doesnt want to know. Why do you think most people pay subs each week? If we all got free rep support no one would pay them

I didn't say he had to "want to know"

but thanks for your input!

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 18 Jan 2018, 19:15

Either grievance or join the union. Sounds like you should join anyway tbh

jd9442 · Post by **jd9442** » 18 Jan 2018, 20:41

Why bother asking the rep to begin with lol
Also why do you want more hours if you can’t do more hours due to children

joewyan · Post by **joewyan** » 18 Jan 2018, 20:43

turnyitb wrote:I am on a part time 30 hour contract over 5 days and have been with the business over 4 years.
In November there a number of part timers made up to full time in my office including a couple of people that started the same day as me and a couple who started 3 months after me.
I waited a while thinking I would be asked but nothing materialised so I went in to see my Dom to ask why people with lower seniority than me had been made up but I hadn't.
The Dom was very abrupt with me and claiming I was overlooked due to performance issues and basically tough s**t!
In 4 years I have never been conduct coded or been told by anyone manager or otherwise that I have problems doing the job.
in the 4 years I have been pushed from pillar to post, worked 95% of the walks in the office (big office) and been shipped out many times to 6 or more other local offices.
Often I come in at 8-30am , even now, to unprepped or partially prepped frames and have to prep before I go out often leaving not enough time to complete the delivery.

now this is what I think is the problem. I have young children I regularly have to pick up from school so the days I can work over are limited so on days when I come in to a frame that's unprepped I end up leaving some behind or cutting off. I always follow procedure when doing this.
when possible I do stay out and finish and come in early on a majority of days when asked but compared with others I don't do a great deal of overtime.

the union rep doesn't want to know as I am not in the union so what I would like to know is where do I stand regards my seniority being overlooked when staff are offered full time and is there a worthwhile grievance procedure for a non union postie?
2 months on I have not had any suggestions or training regards my supposed "performance issues" and the Dom hasn't mentioned it again.

You need to file a grievance against the manager as you have been overlooked for no valid reason. This can easily be done without the Union as I have done that before. You just need to find out the name of the manager about your DOM and write a formal grievance to them explaining the situation and wanting an immediate rectification of the situation.

Post by **Lincox** » 19 Jan 2018, 14:38

The grievance procedure is the same for all, whether you are in the union or not. The only difference is you will not get representation from the union unless you are a member. You are however allowed to have any colleague support/represent you at any grievance hearing.
From experience the grievance procedure in Royal Mail is an absolute sham and an absolute disgrace from a FTSE 100 (250)? company. In saying that, if you are convinced that you have been treated differently to that of your colleagues then you must stand up for yourself and take this matter through the grievance procedure however long it takes and however frustrated you will undoubtedly get.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 19 Jan 2018, 16:03

RM don't like it when you cut off especially if they judge it to be happening regularly. Especially if they form an opinion that another postie could have done the whole walk whereas you brought some back. Make sure you tell them before you leave to do your delivery that you will not have time to complete. It is then the DOMs responsibility to get the remainder delivered.
Part timers coming in to find their walk either partially prepped or not at all is a common problem. Nowadays for the most part there is not time available for others in an office to prep other walks. Once upon a time there used to be spare time but those days are gone.
If you work in RM and are not a paid up member of the union you are liable to receive some 'attitude' type problems from the union rep. More so if they also hold some responsibility or power over what happens in the office.

korky · Post by **korky** » 19 Jan 2018, 19:02

jd9442 wrote:why do you want more hours if you can’t do more hours due to children

he said he has issues picking kids up after school, the make up to full time would be earlier indoor work.
it seems the dom got the arse on, i always thought any ft duties were advertised and filled on seniority,
sounds like he's been done over

turnyitb · Post by **turnyitb** » 19 Jan 2018, 19:25

korky wrote:
jd9442 wrote:why do you want more hours if you can’t do more hours due to children
he said he has issues picking kids up after school, the make up to full time would be earlier indoor work.
it seems the dom got the arse on, i always thought any ft duties were advertised and filled on seniority,
sounds like he's been done over

thank you at least someone is reading the full post before wading in lol

turnyitb · Post by **turnyitb** » 19 Jan 2018, 19:27

jd9442 wrote:Why bother asking the rep to begin with lol
Also why do you want more hours if you can’t do more hours due to children

where did I say I asked the union rep??
when I went into the office to raise the issue with the Dom the union rep just happened to be in the room, he left pretty smartly when he heard what I had brought up thus why I stated he didn't want to know.

and for the record I have never been approached or asked to join the union.

turnyitb · Post by **turnyitb** » 19 Jan 2018, 19:28

Lincox wrote:The grievance procedure is the same for all, whether you are in the union or not. The only difference is you will not get representation from the union unless you are a member. You are however allowed to have any colleague support/represent you at any grievance hearing.
From experience the grievance procedure in Royal Mail is an absolute sham and an absolute disgrace from a FTSE 100 (250)? company. In saying that, if you are convinced that you have been treated differently to that of your colleagues then you must stand up for yourself and take this matter through the grievance procedure however long it takes and however frustrated you will undoubtedly get.

thanks for he reply, could you please advise me where to find details of the grievance procedure?

turnyitb · Post by **turnyitb** » 19 Jan 2018, 19:30

Celgar wrote:RM don't like it when you cut off especially if they judge it to be happening regularly. Especially if they form an opinion that another postie could have done the whole walk whereas you brought some back. Make sure you tell them before you leave to do your delivery that you will not have time to complete. It is then the DOMs responsibility to get the remainder delivered.
Part timers coming in to find their walk either partially prepped or not at all is a common problem. Nowadays for the most part there is not time available for others in an office to prep other walks. Once upon a time there used to be spare time but those days are gone.
If you work in RM and are not a paid up member of the union you are liable to receive some 'attitude' type problems from the union rep. More so if they also hold some responsibility or power over what happens in the office.

I always follow procedures when it looks like I'm going to struggle to complete

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 19 Jan 2018, 19:36

The rep is an arse.
You don't let this s**t go down in your office whether the victim is a member or a non member. An agreement is being ignored. The rep should have lodged a disagreement on behalf of the office. What's the rep going to do the next time it happens now that a precedent has been set?